Personally, I prefer Wordpress. It's an easy CMS and great software. 2.8 Baker has done great!

Personally, I prefer Wordpress. It's an easy CMS and great software. 2.8 Baker has done great!

 

Sorry Seth, but Wordpress is NOT a CMS. It's a blogging platform that can be hacked and butchered into a CMS.

I have to disagree. It is a CMS. It handles content just fine. I agree it's no Drupal. Okay if I have to choose a CMS it wouldn't be Joomla which is a piece of poop. Drupal is the best next to Wordpress.

Hmmm, so why are there so many tutorials on the web telling you how to make Wordpress behave like a CMS?

 

 

This article is worth a read

http://www.gottaquirk.com/2008/05/30/wordpress-is-a-cms/

 

"Firstly, with due respect, do most people know what a CMS is? I mean a real CMS.

 

Do they realise you have 3 main categories of CMS’s:

 

1. Enterprise CMS’s – which handle major volumes of content across technology platforms, databases and geographies.

2. Open Source CMS’s – like Drupal or Joomla – which are fast becoming players in the small to medium enterprise space

3. Home grown CMS’s - created for bespoke purposes by developers with a specific content management requirement.

 

Compared to a most of these CMS categories, WordPress is little more than a glorified content delivery system… albeit with a large and growing user base and nifty ease-of-use benefits.

 

Whether WordPress is a CMS or not - depends on what you think a CMS is. And frankly, the term “CMS” is getting applied too loosely lately to things which have no place calling themselves a “management” anything.

 

In my not so humble opinion (IMNSHO), WP "aspires" to be a CMS, but it is far from that in reality. It lacks many of the necessary protocols (like security, complex content management functionality, robust software version maintenance, update processes and user controls) which any self-respecting, scaleable CMS offers as standard fare."

Bloody hell.......what happened there? I got half through reading and me eyesight went all BLUE!.......

Having worked with Expression Engine for nearly two years, I recently switched to Joomlas and find it a lot easier to use.

 

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Wonder how long it took them to put that site together?! Nice resource cheers

I like Joomla! It is really nice.

Joomla is a very power CMS but can only be used on some sites

Joomla and nothing else..

I see people are complaining about the back end. i don't see it being so bad. And it's fully customizable.

 

I strip a lot of the useless stuff out for my clients. and it's not so hard if you understand how it works and how the templates work.

There are lots of CMS to choose from but for me Wordpress is the best option. I use it not asblog platform but also a complete CMS. It is very flexible and have a good online support.

Hi,

Awesome post.I think drupal and joomla is perfect cms for our business.We do cms of all type drupal,joomla,sharepoint templates etc.Many users have issues on fixing the errors like drupal cms is ease to use in firefox and in IE its not ease to use as its version probs.Can anyone say the solution to fix this error.

 

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As a developer with ten years at this, I concur with the sites endorsement of EE. When these products first came out I spent an enormous amount of time testing all the various ones available (over the past 5-6 years).

 

Cost is close to meaningless, I have heard of large corporations leaving Vignette ($50,000.00 range), for EE due to it's ease of configuration, and ease of use.

 

Working full time in the field, and background training as an MCSE (14 years ago), I now work with clients almost exclusively with EE for very good reasons. Over the last four years it has help up consistently in reliability, support, and most importantly, it is the most configurable platform available. It has unlimited potential for a php programmer, it literally can be classified as having unlimited potential to handle any requirement, and one can easily add and redesign templates for any purpose wanted.

 

There is much more, but I'll keep it short...

Hi, I am hoping this is a useful reply from a slightly different perspective.

 

I've darted about from one CMS to another finding problems and limitations with every one. I settled on Joomla for a while, got very excited, built a solid business plan to create professional sites quickly and cost effectively and then realised that Joomla will cause so many problems down the line. The reason is that unless you spend hundreds of hours developing it you will no doubt keep addings modules, plugins and components and end up with a complete mess of elements you didn't build and have no idea how to fix if anything goes wrong.

 

I then looked at approximately another 50 different Open Source CM Systems and decided Modx is pretty much the best there is because it is a platform designed to give you total control. If you like CSS/HTML etc you just insert your code and use tags to include Modx code into yours rather than the other way round. It's great, it really is but it is still not a complete solution and the second you get a client asking for a CRM with heirarchy or an online shop for example it seriously falls short.

 

Here comes the different perspective. I have a commercial product that I believe is the solution. I am not earning commissions to talk about it; I want designers to work with me to get the best out of it. I’m not sure how much I should explain as I’m sure you are all quite knowledgeable in the industry but Cloud Computing and Software as a Service (SaaS) are set to be the future for businesses as they offer exceptional service, reliability and features for a very low monthly cost. My product can be set up for a very small fee and relies on a low monthly cost to run the services. The most important bit is that the web designer is NOT being taken out of the loop. Although the system allows the client to log in and manage and control a lot themselves they will almost certainly need an expert who can create custom applications for them as well as offering the usual services such as web design, graphic design, SEO, etc. What the system does is ensures we don’t reinvent the wheel by offering a platform to work on that is fully customisable to ensure the client gets the best results.

 

I’d be keen to talk to designers and other experts about this as a concept and how it would work for them as we have the product ready on a plate but want to make sure we serve it correctly. Just to give a bit more detail the product is not just a CMS at all! It is a fully integrated CMS with CRM, online shop, email marketing campaigns further powered by a reporting and analysis system. It has an infinite amount of uses and is something that most businesses in the world could benefit from.

 

I look forward to hearing people’s opinions and I hope this is not seen primarily as a sales pitch. I want to offer good advice to people searching for a platform to use and allow people to make their own decision. I also want to discuss the system with designers not to sell it but perhaps to help designers benefit from it! Thanks for your time. Luke

After using Wordpress & ModX - I can say that both of them are equally impressive as CMS systems - BUT it depends on the project you are undertaking really

 

As the title of the thread suggests, it depends on which CMS is better for YOU - not for everyone, everytime

After continually reading bluedreamers praises of Expression Engine, i decided to play with it. Last night i sat down and fully played with it. After a few technical problems that i made I got into it and it really is the best CMS i have ever used.

 

I am going to write a complete tutorial about it as i could never find one that was easy to follow.

 

I tried to do everything i could do with wordpresss, and it does that and more. Ok to get the forums / and other plugins, you need the license, but for a basic site, the core version is enough.

 

I spent a few hours making a basic design and learning the inner codings of EE, and i am seriously impressed. The docs and wiki on their site are helpful and the forums are great too. Solved my noobish error pretty quick.

 

All in All, EE is amazing ....

Thank.Bookmarked the link.

Joomla all the way

wow!! i needed info on CMS. thanks for posting the links

For me I use Wordpress for smaller sites and Joomla for ecommerce or larger sites. Both great CSM/Blogging platforms

I think that Wordpress is quite possibly the most popular CMS used almost exclusively for blogging. One of the best features of Wordpress - especially for those just starting out with websites and blogs is the template system, which includes widgets that can be rearranged without editing PHP or HTML code, as well as themes that can be installed and switched between .

I will go for Wordpress. very simple and easy to maintain

WordPress <http://www.wordpress.org> has gradually evolved into a fairly capable yet easy to use (in my opinion) CMS. Originally it was just for producing a weblog, but now you can add as many separate web pages as you like to your site, with tabbed, drop down navigation, breadcrumbs, hundreds of good looking templates (or 'themes'), no, one, two or more sidebars and, as you get more proficient, you can modify it to your own design. There are thousands of WordPress 'plugins' to add almost any function you could need to your site. With WordPress you now don't need to have a blog page at all - and if you do it need not be the 'home page' - but most websites tend to include a blog (or news page - same thing really) these days, anyway. You can easily sign up for a free hosted WordPress account at wordpress.com (note NOT .org) and try it out.

 

I tried MODx <http://modxcms.com/> which has been highly praised and it is probably one of the best, but I had no idea what I was doing: couldn't get the hang of the 'chunks' you're supposed to write yourself. Joomla <http://www.joomla.org/> and Drupal <http://drupal.org/>, both no doubt excellent but overkill for a simple website. CMS Made Simple <http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/> - the name put me off! - but actually I found this fairly straightforward to work with - it comes with quite a good theme and stylish navigation 'out of the box'. A little known project I am keeping an eye one is Jojo CMS <http://www.jojocms.org/> - from a small New Zealand team - which I think could really do well but it suffers from lack of resources and documentation, few templates, etc but it is still in early development. It, too, has a lot of functionality straight 'out of the box'.

 

I've even tried wiki systems - mostly DokuWiki <http://www.dokuwiki.org/> and WikkaWiki <http://wikkawiki.org/>. With the right tweaking these can be used as CMSs too.

 

What I do is first install the CMSs locally using Wampserver <http://www.wampserver.com/> to try them out - which means my PC 'hosts' the system and I do not need to mess up web space with trials and aborted attempts.

I have variations of my own CMS's which I tailor for every client. Started off quite poor but has developed into quite a good system :] Redeveloping it at the moment with a more modern interface and thinking about switching from CodeIgniter framework to Kohana

I have variations of my own CMS's which I tailor for every client. Started off quite poor but has developed into quite a good system :] Redeveloping it at the moment with a more modern interface and thinking about switching from CodeIgniter framework to Kohana

 

I mean that's fine and good to develop your own CMS, but IMHO why reinvent the wheel. What I like right away about Wordpress is how optimizable it is. Out of the box it has many of the modules needed to get yourself showing up in the Google Results.

Wordpress and modx are the only two i really use regularly. Looking for a project to try out either joomla or drupal (more research needed :s)

 

 

I've used concrete5 purely to test it out. I think it's a little rough around the edges but has some nice features. Here's a few more that i've got bookmarked but yet to play with (if you've used them, i'd love to hear about it )

 

http://unify.unitinteractive.com/

 

http://symphony-cms.com/

 

http://www.silverstripe.com/

 

http://www.liferay.com/

 

http://typo3.com/

 

Would love to play with them all, but haven't got the time sadly

I mean that's fine and good to develop your own CMS, but IMHO why reinvent the wheel. What I like right away about Wordpress is how optimizable it is. Out of the box it has many of the modules needed to get yourself showing up in the Google Results.

 

Because sometimes the only things I want my clients to see are "Add a Page" and "Edit Pages". Having created it myself there are absolutely no limitations, I can do what I want with it and it also gave me a sense of achievement at the time.

 

Anyway, aside from my own CMS, I tried ModX and Joomla first and was more fond of ModX. Joomla was a bit of a nightmare!

Hello,

 

Go for Drupal.. with all the developments they are doing ..they are on top presently.

If I am looking for blogging software then it is WordPress. I f I need a full blown CMS then I would recommend Concrete 5 (www.concrete5.org). It's open source and very easy to create custom templates for. The real reason that I like it so much is that my less tech savvy clients are able to pick up how to create pages in it very quickly and that helps to engender trust with them. The only drawback I have found is that some of the CSS is not very validation friendly. However, overall I would prefer it to Joomla, Drupal etc.

 

Mike

Wordpress and modx are the only two i really use regularly. Looking for a project to try out either joomla or drupal (more research needed :s)

 

 

I've used concrete5 purely to test it out. I think it's a little rough around the edges but has some nice features. Here's a few more that i've got bookmarked but yet to play with (if you've used them, i'd love to hear about it )

 

http://unify.unitinteractive.com/

 

http://symphony-cms.com/

 

http://www.silverstripe.com/

 

http://www.liferay.com/

 

http://typo3.com/

 

Would love to play with them all, but haven't got the time sadly

 

I've started using silverstripe for work, still learning but it's a great cms. The UI on the backend is nice and so simple a client couldn't go wrong, and everything is customisable if you know how!

 

Like I said I'm still learning and there's more and more I'm realising you can do.

I have designed a lot of sites using joomla & I think it's the best

I've tried Joomla but find the backend confusing. If I'm confused - a client sure will be! I like Wordpress for it's quick plugins and easy interface. I'm really looking forward to checking out EE.

I am familiar with Joomla and its a great CMS. No motivation to try anything else.

Joomla!!! with addon Virtuemart !!! Do it for me

Depending on the computer literacy of the client, I would tend to edge towards Joomla. The backend isn't all that confusing if you explain it properly and go through it with them. I do like Wordpress for its simplicity and usability but it's hierarchical nature can sometimes lead to having to duplicate content, which I'd rather not be doing. Better for blogging without a doubt.

I like PageLime and Wordpress!

Silverstripe.org - best CMS I've ever used, for small or large scale projects.

I swear by ModX, just because of it's almost-infinite flexibility.

 

As for PHP frameworks I'm really fond of Zend. I'd like to try to new version of Symfony though that's not going to be stable til late 2010.

In comparison to Zend I've found others such as CakePHP and CodeIgniter to be lacking in flexibility - I like full control over everything.

 

At the end of the day it all comes down to expertise, experience and most importantly, familiarity. Most people after using something for any period of time will only look for something that looks/behaves/works in a similar way. Anything more complicated is always more likely to put off people that are looking for the easiest solution. E.g Wordpress vs ModX or Zend vs CodeIgniter.

It is really awesome site. I saw it. It has more attractive contents. Thanks for sharing

gotta say, having spent the last 3 months up to my gills in Zend or Expression Engine sites, Wordpress code is just horrible and hacky. Nicest admin though.

It so happens that most sites I have drawn, are working on the Lotus Domino-based engines and EZ Publisher.