Hey all,

 

My boss has asked me to design an adult escorting website and I don't want to do it because I feel uncomfortable doing it and all the other problems. It as, at current, just a lead at the moment and nothing confirmed. Any thoughts?

What is the reason you are uncomfortable doing it?

 

Religion? Ethics? Tradition? Your wife is an employee? You've used them before? You run an escort service on the side from your garage?

 

It would help to know because some are vastly more acceptable and professional than others.

Morality and I know most web design companies just immediately say no to those types of websites plus it's personal things too haha.

Well I would just say that because you are uncomfortable with their line of work you don't trust yourself to do your best. Just be careful not to frame it like "Eeew escorts don't deserve nice websites."

 

On a side note ; I have no issue with doing Escort websites because I am an Amoral a**hole. So if you rent women for a living and need a website, get in touch!

He asked me if I wanted to do it and I said no but we had a bit of an arguement so now I'm under the impression that if I anger him anymore I could be at risk of losing my job however I'm on an apprenticeship and it's the only one I can find because of my location and career choice so if I get kicked out my career will just go bottoms up really haha. But I like what you said and it's cheered me up haha.

Edited August 2, 201115 yr by CreativeShelf

I'll do it !

 

One company I worked for had a client who did a line of party stuff and one inevitable category was Adult gear.

Two packs of cards had to be created, one for the blokes and one for the ... ladies.

One poor designer chap had to spend a week deep etching naked men, full frontal. It was hilarious.

 

If your not comfortable, just explain your position and get him to assign it to someone else.

F your moral compass and get it done...

 

Its a website - it does not make you a porn loving sex addict...

I can't see him sacking you because of it and if he does surely that illegal?

Hey all,

 

My boss has asked me to design an adult escorting website and I don't want to do it because I feel uncomfortable doing it and all the other problems. It as, at current, just a lead at the moment and nothing confirmed. Any thoughts?

I think you should forget abotu this job and say no to your boss.

You may also deliver this job to one of your close friend if you have an opportunity like that.

Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but suck it up and do your job. It's not illegal, and you're not in a position to be making moral choices for your employer - that's not what you were hired to do.

 

Imagine, for a moment, if someone tried to refuse to do their job on the excuse that they had a moral objection to plumbers - they could quite easily be fired for that, and damn right.

 

Edit: If you want the freedom to make your own moral choices, go self-employed. That's one of the benefits you get, to set against the guaranteed income and benefits of working for someone else.

Edited August 3, 201115 yr by Renaissance-Design

If you explain to him why you don't/can't do the website then surly he will understand, i'm not sure he could sack you over it.

 

Also if your on an Apprentership if he was to force you into making it, you could report the employer back to the training company providing you with the Apprentership, it's what the training provider/college i use teach all apprentices to do.

 

Lewi

what Renaissance-Design said.

 

its your job to design websites...

 

if your boss gets a client whos buisness is ecsorting...

 

then its a website you will have to design...

 

unless your screamish at the site of clunge and wont be able to look at ur pc screen, then fairplay

 

and btw loads of web companys create porn/escorts sites i mean a stupid percent of the internet is porn sites!

Edited August 3, 201115 yr by kingy da killa

ive done a porn site before. had it written into my contract that i may be asked to work on such sites. was enjoyable at the beginning but some of the imagery i had to use started getting very old and very fat so didnt like it by the end. ended up shying away from it but the lads were well impressed! how can an escort website be too graphic though? its hardly gonna be full porn?

I further echo Renaissance. Frankly, get on with your job and stop whinging about it. It actually annoys me, you are refusing to do a job, when there are plenty of capable people out there who would probably saw their right arm off just to get the opportunity. Be grateful.

We all have to work on stuff without making moral judgements about it. I've taken one project on since I started freelancing again last year that I had to anonymize before putting in my portfolio (for the sake of delicate potential clients). For the curious, as of the time of writing it's top of Google for "London spanking".

Edited August 3, 201115 yr by Renaissance-Design

londonspankingservice.com

 

blaintly that looool

Although i agree with most people who have said for him to just get on with it. He did state that this job effected him for personal reasons so i think people could do with calming a little.

 

Where such job would not bother me in the slightest, it clearly bothers this person otherwise he wouldn't have posted about it so why not show a little bit more understanding about the situation.

 

 

Maybe if they elaborate more on why they don't want to do it for person reasons?

 

Bad past experience, religious family although not religious yourself? etc etc

Edited August 3, 201115 yr by Daz

Sorry, but to me it's just the realistic tough world of work. I don't think anybody needs to calm down, we're just expressing our opinion.

Just do it !!! Its a website and that's all that matters. You have an apprenticeship which is really hard to get, It took me 18 months to find one and I had to leave my country, friends and family behind. Do you want one of your reference on your CV to say ... would not design a website.

 

I wouldn't give my right arm for this apprenticeship ... but I would give my left

 

Good luck!!

apprenticeship and hes refusing to doa website......

 

omfg........

 

fool

As someone who does have a moral compass (sorry guys), I would say stand your ground. I would refuse the project as well. If he fires you, he fires you. You will still feel good for standing up for what you believe. You have a right to say you feel uncomfortable with that sort of project and as an employer he should respect that especially given the nature of it.

 

People say to suck it up and do your job. Sorry, I don't buy that. Thats being nothing but a button monkey and a 'yes' man. Do what you feel is right.

I have to agree with cibgraphics.

 

With that said, If the grounds of your uncomfort are from religious views then this is especially wrong for you to be fired for it however you will need to accept the outcome of whatever you do, right or wrong.

think about the above...

 

then think about how far back it will set you with your boss. Think how damaged the relationship will be.

 

If someone I employed refused to work because of a reason like this I would not trust them again. He may think your trying to boss him about...

 

grow up and do it.

As someone who does have a moral compass (sorry guys), I would say stand your ground. I would refuse the project as well. If he fires you, he fires you. You will still feel good for standing up for what you believe. You have a right to say you feel uncomfortable with that sort of project and as an employer he should respect that especially given the nature of it.

 

People say to suck it up and do your job. Sorry, I don't buy that. Thats being nothing but a button monkey and a 'yes' man. Do what you feel is right.

 

 

As long as you are employed and working for somebody else, a "button monkey" is exactly what you are, in any job. If you are asked to do something well within your job description which is legal, and this is, then you have to do it. If you want to be in a position where you can cherry pick to suit yourself, and your morals, then you have to go it alone.

Edited August 3, 201115 yr by brightonmike

If your're on an apprenticeship, maybe you're under 18, if that's the case you're boss is not legally allowed to show any pornographic images to you I would guess.

 

If you're over 18 and it is pornographic images then you're pretty much obliged to do the work. Best you can hope for is an understanding boss. Using any religious grounds against him will definitely cause friction between you both, which, in the case of employment after apprenticeship and pay rises are concerned, you certainly don't want. Like it or lump it.

 

If it's not pornographic material and just seductive shots of women then I don't see why you would have a problem with it. The photos would be no different than those in a Nuts/FHM magazine. Which many men would love to work on!

 

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

~ evu.

If someone I employed refused to work because of a reason like this I would not trust them again. He may think your trying to boss him about...

 

Funny, I would have more respect for that person because you know that person has values and is willing to stick up for them.

 

 

As long as you are employed and working for somebody else, a "button monkey" is exactly what you are, in any job. If you are asked to do something well within your job description which is legal, and this is, then you have to do it. If you want to be in a position where you can cherry pick to suit yourself, and your morals, then you have to go it alone.

 

If it was a normal project... sure. But this involves morals which I think is perfectly fine to say you are uncomfortable with the project. Personally I would rather have someone tell me that they are uncomfortable with something rather than being a 'yes' man without questioning anything. Good managers/leaders are those who take suggestions and ideas from those that they lead. If those people are too afraid to tell you anything, how can you be a better leader? How can you even call yourself a leader. But I digress. It is perfectly reasonable for someone to be uncomfortable to refuse to do a job like this. If his boss has a problem with it, then the boss is in the wrong.

 

Sorry, to me values are more valuable than the money he would get from this.

If it's a morality issue then it's really a case of you having to stand your own ground with this one and work it through with your boss.

 

How would you feel if it was for a political site that was diametrically opposed to your own opinions, or a site for a big company with whom you had an ethical problem?

 

As RD says, if you want to pick and choose then go self employed, if you can afford to refuse work then you have the option.

Funny, I would have more respect for that person because you know that person has values and is willing to stick up for them.

 

 

 

 

If it was a normal project... sure. But this involves morals which I think is perfectly fine to say you are uncomfortable with the project. Personally I would rather have someone tell me that they are uncomfortable with something rather than being a 'yes' man without questioning anything. Good managers/leaders are those who take suggestions and ideas from those that they lead. If those people are too afraid to tell you anything, how can you be a better leader? How can you even call yourself a leader. But I digress. It is perfectly reasonable for someone to be uncomfortable to refuse to do a job like this. If his boss has a problem with it, then the boss is in the wrong.

 

Sorry, to me values are more valuable than the money he would get from this.

 

 

At the end of the day, it's somebody else's company, not his. Let them worry about the morals of their business. He's there to do a job, and if you work for somebody else, you get on with it. It's not his business, it's theirs, and he has been asked to do a job well within his remit.

 

When you can afford to get all high and mighty and cherry pick jobs based on your morals, go ahead. But for a kid starting out he really needs to just get on with it.

My 2 cents:

 

Suck it up man, your boss pays for your food and bills (probably barely considering your on an apprenticeship, but he does). At the end of the day your basically on a learning course and you've already said there are no more apprenticeships around you, so it's most likely that you NEED this job to get on in life.

 

Weigh up the pro's and con's: It's work I'm not going to enjoy - I',m gunna get paid, I'm gunna get experience, I'm contributing to my career.

 

At the end of the day, any decent boss would ask his employee; would you mind working on this, if they say "I don't want too" they'd move onto the next employee. Sounds like this isn't the type of boss you have so get your apprenticeship finished and move onto bigger and better things.

 

On a side note, I'm a ******* pervert, Will happily make any bondage / fetish / gimp websites! Get at me

@Ste Hughes - IF you employed me and lost trust in me because I said I wouldn't work on a project due to religious reasons, I would say you were a pretty poor attempt at a boss and quit anyway.

 

@cibgraphics - I totally agree with you. +1

I don't buy the 'respect for standing up for your morals' stance. If you can safely assume it is a legal company and the women are willfully employed then you have no sensible moral obligation to stand up for. It would be a whole different ball game if your boss was pressuring you into knowingly participating in a crime but as far as we can tell he is not and refusing to do your job based on what I can only assume is a religion-fueled squeamishness of naked woman is, quite frankly, stupid.

 

Like others have said, if you were freelance you would be free to make this choice. You can refuse any client you wish for whatever reason pops into your head. However you aren't and the only thing stopping you seems to be a fairly vague and thin dislike of their business practices. Being squeamish about what they do is not a good enough reason to refuse to do your job. It's a good enough reason for your boss to give it to someone else, purely with the intent of delivering the best service but if you can't separate personal opinion from work he's justified in firing you.

I don't buy the 'respect for standing up for your morals' stance. If you can safely assume it is a legal company and the women are willfully employed then you have no sensible moral obligation to stand up for. It would be a whole different ball game if your boss was pressuring you into knowingly participating in a crime but as far as we can tell he is not and refusing to do your job based on what I can only assume is a religion-fueled squeamishness of naked woman is, quite frankly, stupid.

 

Like others have said, if you were freelance you would be free to make this choice. You can refuse any client you wish for whatever reason pops into your head. However you aren't and the only thing stopping you seems to be a fairly vague and thin dislike of their business practices. Being squeamish about what they do is not a good enough reason to refuse to do your job. It's a good enough reason for your boss to give it to someone else, purely with the intent of delivering the best service but if you can't separate personal opinion from work he's justified in firing you.

 

 

So someone's morality is flown out the window when someone works for someone? Sorry. Don't agree.

 

I also don't see someone standing up for beliefs (how ever much you disagree with them) as something that is stupid. That isn't the correct way to think. I think this world needs more people who stand up for what they believe.

 

His boss should respect his moral stance and get another designer/developer to take on the project. No one should be forced to do something they don't morally agree with regardless of the setting.

So someone's morality is flown out the window when someone works for someone? Sorry. Don't agree.

 

I also don't see someone standing up for beliefs (how ever much you disagree with them) as something that is stupid. That isn't the correct way to think. I think this world needs more people who stand up for what they believe.

 

His boss should respect his moral stance and get another designer/developer to take on the project. No one should be forced to do something they don't morally agree with regardless of the setting.

 

 

I'm not being funny, but this is all well and good if you've got money saved away in the bank but if you gotta be paid to eat, you need to quit your jibba jabba and get on with the job in hand! Unfortunately their aren't many jobs out their that let you pick and choose what you can and can't do

As someone who does have a moral compass (sorry guys), I would say stand your ground. I would refuse the project as well. If he fires you, he fires you. You will still feel good for standing up for what you believe. You have a right to say you feel uncomfortable with that sort of project and as an employer he should respect that especially given the nature of it.

 

People say to suck it up and do your job. Sorry, I don't buy that. Thats being nothing but a button monkey and a 'yes' man. Do what you feel is right.

 

I'm not saying the OP shouldn't stick up for his morals - but if that's the decision he wants to make, he should do so in the knowledge that he could well be choosing between his morals and his job. Anyone who thinks they should be able to plead exemptions and keep their job is basically saying they should be the one who makes the decision, not their boss - and that makes them a discipline problem. It's the boss' decision whether the employee's discomfort with the subject matter is more important to the company than the revenue from the project.

 

@Ste Hughes - IF you employed me and lost trust in me because I said I wouldn't work on a project due to religious reasons, I would say you were a pretty poor attempt at a boss and quit anyway.

 

@cibgraphics - I totally agree with you. +1

 

As for the people who (for example) knowingly take a job that prohibits jewelry, flout the rules and claim that because it's religious they should get an exemption, or think that their religious issues should be allowed to affect everyone else around them - they're beneath contempt. Let's say this project is worth £2000 and the employee is the only person available to do the job - that's £2000 of revenue that they've denied to the company. Looked at from the company's point of view, that's no different than stealing £2000 from the company (if a thief stole £2000 the company wouldn't prosecute the thief because the thief had gained £2000, but because the company had lost £2000).

Edited August 3, 201115 yr by Renaissance-Design

All this, over a few women in a bit of underwear.

So someone's morality is flown out the window when someone works for someone? Sorry. Don't agree.

 

I also don't see someone standing up for beliefs (how ever much you disagree with them) as something that is stupid. That isn't the correct way to think. I think this world needs more people who stand up for what they believe.

 

His boss should respect his moral stance and get another designer/developer to take on the project. No one should be forced to do something they don't morally agree with regardless of the setting.

 

First off, it's not morality. It's judgement. Secondly, when they are purely personal preferences based on no fact, harm or legality. Yes.

 

Morality is doing what is right and what is just. Being squeamish and judgemental about prostitution is puritanical horse**** used to oppress people.

 

You are free to believe whatever the hell you want to believe but unless you have a good reason for that belief I don't see why I should respect it. Also, you as the holder of this belief should be the one solely responsible for it's impact on the world and on you. If you want to live your life believing that escort services are immoral that is fine but I (or anyone else) shouldn't have to just tip toe around that and make the world nice for you. Quite frankly it is a stupid belief. The business is legal and the women are free to do as they please.

 

I don't agree with people who vote Tory but since they don't do it to harm people and it's not illegal then my opinion on the matter doesn't mean anything. Sure, I could flat refuse to do work for people on the blue side of the isle but I would only be hurting my self and my business and that is moronic.

@Renaissance-Design

 

Calling the OP a thief because he refuses to do a job he morally disagrees with is a bit extreme.

 

@brightonmike

 

If the OP has moral objections against it.. then yes. I would refuse it as well. Morals should be something that is respected, not put on stage and laughed at. I for one applaud the OP. Wish more people in the world stood for something moral.

First off, it's not morality. It's judgement. Secondly, when they are purely personal preferences based on no fact, harm or legality. Yes.

 

Morality is doing what is right and what is just. Being squeamish and judgemental about prostitution is puritanical horse**** used to oppress people.

 

You are free to believe whatever the hell you want to believe but unless you have a good reason for that belief I don't see why I should respect it. Also, you as the holder of this belief should be the one solely responsible for it's impact on the world and on you. If you want to live your life believing that escort services are immoral that is fine but I (or anyone else) shouldn't have to just tip toe around that and make the world nice for you. Quite frankly it is a stupid belief. The business is legal and the women are free to do as they please.

 

I don't agree with people who vote Tory but since they don't do it to harm people and it's not illegal then my opinion on the matter doesn't mean anything. Sure, I could flat refuse to do work for people on the blue side of the isle but I would only be hurting my self and my business and that is moronic.

 

 

So basically people are allowed to believe and express how ever they want... unless it conflicts with yours and then it is "puritanical horse****"

 

Good to know.

When did I say that?

 

People can believe what they want. They can shout about it from the highest rooftops. However if they want people to give a **** they should maybe pick a belief that actually effects peoples lives.

 

Nobody cares he thinks escort services are wrong. Nobody is harmed in the process, they do it of their own free will and the government recognises them as legal companies. So this 'moral stance' of his is kinda pointless isn't it? What problem is he fixing other than his own dislikes?

 

A persons right to do what they want with their own body is much more important than what you may or may not be comfortable with.