So, you don't use anything like comments.php or header.php or page.php? You just do it all in index.php??

 

I get the feeling I'm really missing something here....

i have no idea what is ur problem with wordpress and when i said "u can make anything out of wordpress" i really meant it

yes u can put ur whole design in a index.php file or u can separate them into different files which is much better

and there are a lot of ways to modify wp_head() function or any other function of wordpress

if any one is looking for simple CMS I can give them access to my original system which allows you to create pages, news, blogs, forums, events, shop, newsletters, testimonials and more

Just contact me for more details and access

also i have some basic templates for those which doesn't know html and css and some of them are also responsive

There are a few CMS that allow you to design everything in static html and then add the 'CMS-i-ness' afterward. Perch and Expression Engine spring to mind, though I am certain there are others.

 

So does WordPress? Not sure how you've come to the conclusion that it doesn't?

You design your site pages using vanilla html/css and then throw in the required tags? Or are you just serving static pages with WP?? Don't you need to chop it all up to fit the required WP elements?

 

If you can design an entire page of a WP site with a single html page, then I have been doing it very wrong! Glad of any enlightenment you can provide.

 

Why would you want to design any one page with a single HTML file? Yes, I think you have been doing it very wrong.

Edited January 8, 201313 yr by Gareth Daine

Why would you want to design any one page with a single HTML file? Yes, I think you have been doing it very wrong.

 

A lot of designers and devs cross over to CMS from static html, and for them there's a huge learning curve with the 3 most popular CMSs to just be able to get back to the point where they can properly control the output they see. For these guys CMSs that enable them to turn a static html page into a CMS editable one with the addition of just a handful of tags are very attractive. This is why Expression Engine, for example is so very popular with designers. It places very few obstacles in the way of moving from a static design to a dynamically rendered one and the process of moving from static to CMS is painless.

 

And just to be clear, I don't do this.

A lot of designers and devs cross over to CMS from static html, and for them there's a huge learning curve with the 3 most popular CMSs to just be able to get back to the point where they can properly control the output they see. For these guys CMSs that enable them to turn a static html page into a CMS editable one with the addition of just a handful of tags are very attractive. This is why Expression Engine, for example is so very popular with designers. It places very few obstacles in the way of moving from a static design to a dynamically rendered one and the process of moving from static to CMS is painless.

 

And just to be clear, I don't do this.

 

I have used and worked with both WordPress and Expression Engine. Expression Engine is an amazing CMS but it certainly has a much steeper learning curve than WordPress, that said they are both just as powerful and my preference would always be for WordPress.

 

You've got to remember too that it's not just about what's easy for the designer to get to grips with, in the end it's the client that's important because it's them who will be using the system, day in and day out. In that respect I believe WordPress is much more suited.

 

Sorry, what is it you don't do?

I have used and worked with both WordPress and Expression Engine. Expression Engine is an amazing CMS but it certainly has a much steeper learning curve than WordPress...

 

I think this depends a lot on who you ask and what their background is. EE is very popular with designers, in my opinion largely because it is very easy to design in.

 

My personal preference is for neither.

 

Sorry, what is it you don't do?

 

I don't do this:

 

Why would you want to design any one page with a single HTML file? Yes, I think you have been doing it very wrong.

 

Not within a CMS at least. Obviously, there are cases where good old-fashioned html is definitely the way to go.

 

In fact, I have recently become intrigued by (and vowed to try asap) a couple of flat-file CMSs that I'm hearing great things about; http://statamic.com/ and http://getkirby.com/ as I seem to be spending more and more time just battling bloat.

Wordpress has many uses.. but it is definately not the easiest to design for..

 

Out of the popular three, Drupal, Joomla or Wordpress i would say Joomla is the best to design for..

 

I do however, use Wordpress more

Joomla is the best for design because It has many modules and it is the easiest to install and configure.

Wordpress has many uses.. but it is definately not the easiest to design for..

 

Out of the popular three, Drupal, Joomla or Wordpress i would say Joomla is the best to design for..

 

I do however, use Wordpress more

Joomla is the best for design because It has many modules and it is the easiest to install and configure.

excuse me? Joomla is a nightmare to build a custom theme for and Wordpress is usually just a one click install from most web hosts, even if its not , just set up a database (usually just a 1 min job in your hosts control panel) , upload the files and fill out a form!

...Joomla is a nightmare to build a custom theme for...

Disagree with you on that one. Personally, I find it far more logical than the same process for Wordpress. Horses for courses though I guess...

 

..Wordpress is usually just a one click install from most web hosts, even if its not , just set up a database (usually just a 1 min job in your hosts control panel) , upload the files and fill out a form!

Exactly the same as Joomla.

Joomla is the best for design because It has many modules and it is the easiest to install and configure.

 

waordpress is the easiest way to build cms website

 

But the question is about which is the easiest CMS for designing, not which has the most extensions, is the easiest to install or the easiest to develop with. Those would be different questions...

 

Exactly the same as Joomla.

 

I was referring to this erroneous statement:

and it is the easiest to install and configure

Joomla is far better for everything.. you just have to know css and you are done.

Me too looking for a similar answer . I need a CMS which is quick easy to learn. I am not a coder/developer. I have lil php knowledge. All i need to know is how easily I could wrap a cms around my design or best if the cms could wrap my design around it. I have been reading about the coding part and ever cms has its own set of codes to incorporate my design/custom.

 

Wouldnt it make sense to keep the html markup same and the CMS just fills in the content for me ? *Thinking*

Joomla is far better for everything.. you just have to know css and you are done.

 

Not so easy when I have to hack into the cms to get my jquery running. Disable mootools add head and different positions just to get my layout look exactly like I want. It also adds up its own extra HTML which I dont need.

Wordpress is actually very bulky. I feel it's outgrown it's original purpose as a blogging tool to accommodate for things it was never designed to do. It now sits on some middle ground where it's ok for blogging and ok as a CMS, but doesn't quite feel like the right tool for either. Ive built WP sites but never understood why it's rated so highly among the community. Each to their own I guess.

I can only speak from experience, I am a web designer, I know very little about server side programming etc (and don't really have any desire to learn) I have used a few CMSs but my CMS of choice is ExpressionEngine, you can basically code your site in HTML/CSS/JavaScript etc, then you add the EE tags and you have a fully functioning website and CMS. I admit there is a learning curve but once you have learned how EE works it is unbelievably flexible and powerful. 2 downsides, it's not free and EE have recently changed their support system, before you posted in the forums and an EE expert would respond withing 2 business days (usually quicker) with a detailed response on how to solve your issue, now you need to pay $50 a month for that support. Outrageous.

I was considering having a bash at using Joomla or Mambo on a new website but after reading this thread I shall probably go back to using wordpress. Stripped back to basics, using the page elements only and binning the posts, comments turned off as the only thing that comes from wordpress comments is spam.

 

The good thing with Wordpress is you can test it out first on their wordpress dot com free blog platform before jumping in at the deep end.

Simply from a design point of view it has to be WP, the flexibility is un beatable, in my humble opinion. :0)

I would recommend you joomla and Drupal, because you can not work only in wordpress for life time.

 

What are you talking about?

Wordpress is actually very bulky. I feel it's outgrown it's original purpose as a blogging tool to accommodate for things it was never designed to do. It now sits on some middle ground where it's ok for blogging and ok as a CMS, but doesn't quite feel like the right tool for either. Ive built WP sites but never understood why it's rated so highly among the community. Each to their own I guess.

 

It's rated so highly because it's awesome.

 

It is:

 

• Flexible
• Easily extensible
• Robust
• Well documented
• Well coded
• Easy to use
• Easy to learn
• Some great out of the box features (such as custom taxonomies, custom post types and metaboxes)
• It has a wealth of great plugins (more than any other platform)
• An amazing responsive community
• Loved by Google
• Is SEO friendly with little setup
• Is maintained and constantly updated
• Has the biggest market share
• Has a wealth of excellent resources and themes
• Is used by some of the top design and development websites (including the tuts+ network and Smashing Magazine)
• Is advocated by some of the worlds top developers and designers
• Won the war
• Easy to theme and develop for
• And on and on and on...

I could go on and on and do a comparison between the top CMS's but there is already a wealth of resources and comparisons out there for people to look at and make an informed decision.

 

Essentially, you can build any type, and I mean ANY type of website you want using WordPress as a base. Plus clients love it and find it very easy to use. Plus, it looks great on retina displays in the latest version and it's also responsive, with an array of mobile apps to enable you to post and manage your website from any device.

 

It's simply the best platform going in my honest opinion. If you want something more bespoke, build it yourself using Laravel or something. Else, use WordPress. Simple!

Edited April 5, 201313 yr by Gareth Daine

http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management/all

 

Says it all really...

 

Essentially, you can build any type, and I mean ANY type of website you want using WordPress as a base.

 

Why would you want to, just because you can doesn't mean it's a good solution.

 

 

Well coded

 

Hmm, if you have ever looked at the legacy code in WP it's shocking, and allows backwards compatibility for plug-ins as old as 5 years, not good practice. They are working on improving this though, it will be less backwards compatible as a result, which is good IMO.

 

 

It has a wealth of great plugins (more than any other platform)

 

A wealth of plugins that have never been updated, contain massive security holes and generally suck. Theres some great ones, but nothing like quality of ExpressionEngine. A well developed system shouldn't require many plug-ins, the default fieldtypes should provide a huge amount of flexibility when working with data.

 

We had a meeting once with a potential client who's current WP site was hacked through a Lightbox plug-in. The worrying thing is, why they would need a plug-in to handle this anyway, it just feels like lazy development work to me.

 

 

Well documented

 

Granted, the codex is good.

 

 

Is SEO friendly with little setup

 

Yup, ill admit the S.E.O plug-ins are decent from what I hear.

 

 

Has the biggest market share

 

IE6 had this once, it doesn't say anything about how well written it is.

 

 

Is used by some of the top design and development websites

 

So are other systems, EE & joomla are used on some massive sites.

 

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Im certainly not attacking your post here, these are just my opinions.

 

Theres also some valid points in this post, the comments too.

Why would you want to, just because you can doesn't mean it's a good solution.

 

The best solution depends on context and specifics, I agree. I'm simply saying you can. It also doesn't mean it's not a good solution.

 

Hmm, if you have ever looked at the legacy code in WP it's shocking, and allows backwards compatibility for plug-ins as old as 5 years, not good practice. They are working on improving this though, it will be less backwards compatible as a result, which is good IMO.

 

Yes, that's true but as you say they recognise the fact and are working hard to remove and update legacy code. The current version is still very well written.

 

Concerning EE, while it is a great CMS it is built using the CodeIgniter framework (which is a great framework but slowly dying out) and as you are probably aware, it is falling behind the times and also contains legacy code. http://heybigname.com/2012/05/06/why-codeigniter-is-dead/

 

A wealth of plugins that have never been updated, contain massive security holes and generally suck. Theres some great ones, but nothing like quality of ExpressionEngine. A well developed system shouldn't require many plug-ins, the default fieldtypes should provide a huge amount of flexibility when working with data.

 

Bit of a generalisation there. There are literally hundreds of well written, up to date and valuable plugins. The fact is, no CMS can contain all the required features every website will need, so plugins are an essential tool for both developers and non-developers. Personally, I write my own when building a WordPress theme.

 

In terms of EE, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't contain robust blogging support out of the box, and in turn requires a plugin/extension.

 

We had a meeting once with a potential client who's current WP site was hacked through a Lightbox plug-in. The worrying thing is, why they would need a plug-in to handle this anyway, it just feels like lazy development work to me.

 

Bit of a moot point, as that's the developers fault not the fault of WordPress.

 

Granted, the codex is good.

 

 

Yup, ill admit the S.E.O plug-ins are decent from what I hear.

 

 

IE6 had this once, it doesn't say anything about how well written it is.

 

Very true, except it was when IE6 was the only browser about, per say.

Edited April 5, 201313 yr by Gareth Daine

I tried loads of different CMS' and in the end i went with joomla. It started out difficult but now im glad i put the effort in at the beginning

Fair comments Gareth.

 

I agree with the EllisLab / CodeIgniter thing. EE isn't my CMS of choice at the moment because of the slow development, if you look at the changelog for EE the last release was 20th December 2012, which contained 5 bug fixes and no actual enhancements to the CMS.

 

Im trialing a number of different things at the moment, WP doesn't work for me im afraid.

Fair comments Gareth.

 

I agree with the EllisLab / CodeIgniter thing. EE isn't my CMS of choice at the moment because of the slow development, if you look at the changelog for EE the last release was 20th December 2012, which contained 5 bug fixes and no actual enhancements to the CMS.

 

Im trialing a number of different things at the moment, WP doesn't work for me im afraid.

 

Yeah, I'm currently building my own using Laravel. More a learning experience than an actual production project but I will certainly release it if it's any good, though I'm not sure we need another CMS on the market.

Ive been using Craft, which is promising (it's not free though), it's built on Yii and uses Twig for templating.

 

A lot of good things have been said about Laravel, I haven't had a chance to check it out yet though.

Now a days, a number
of content management system are available. But the thing is, which one is
suitable for your site? I believe that wordpress and joomla are most easiest
CMS which can be use to edit, manage, and publish a variety of content on a
website. Now, the best option is wordpress 3.6 (Beta) which is available with
inbuild audio and video support.

You can find various content management sytems available like WordPress, Joomla, Magento, Shopify, Moodle etc. According to me, I would recommend you to go wtih WordPress as is it simple to design.

If you are looking for a cms where you can use the design you made for a normal html/css based site, try Minorit (http:/www.minorit.com). It is simple utility to edit some texts. If you made the web for someone, you can give him the access and he can edit it ;-) .Awesome!

Wordpress is the best CMS as you can make responsive design easily in Wordpress!

There are a few CMS that allow you to design everything in static html and then add the 'CMS-i-ness' afterward. Perch and Expression Engine spring to mind, though I am certain there are others.

You can also use WordPress to do those things

 

I always make my html template and then convert it to WordPress...

Wordpress is the best CMS as you can make responsive design easily in Wordpress!

 

You can make responsive design in every CMS, you just need to make your html en css the right way.

 

Wordpress has a lot of themes that are responsive, so no need to create your own... I agree on that

Wordpress is the best CMS as you can make responsive design easily in Wordpress!

 

Wordpress does nothing to your templates to make them responsive, that's down to the developer and so it should be.

Word press is the best option, if you are choosing the CMS.

 

I've some reasons why you should consider WordPress.

• It’s open source, which means it’s free!
• It’s so easy to use. There is no HTML knowledge required
• Once the CMS is installed, you can start to add content, new pages
  and images straight away. It’s as easy as using Microsoft Word
• You don’t need to wait for the web designer to make the changes for you! Save money and do it yourself
• You can update your website from anywhere in the world through your web browser
• There are literally thousands of plugins you can install into the
  CMS, such as SEO, comments, Twitter and Facebook feed, rotating tag
  clouds, contact forms, video, Google maps, event calendars, photo
  galleries and more. The list goes on and on….
• It’s SEO friendly, which means the website can be fully optimised using a one-click plug-in
• If you have any questions or need help with the plugins or system,
  there is a community forum available, which gives you access to
  thousands of tutorials and experts are available to answer your
  questions.
• If your business is growing, WordPress is the best as CMS Web Development can grow with you. You have
  the option to create extra pages or add plugins when required, for
  example, an events calendar, image galleries, booking systems, shopping
  carts, forums, newsletter plugins and more

Edited May 27, 201313 yr by teodora
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I can recommend you Artisteer (bktemplates.com) - you don't need knowledge about html or css. Is excellent for beginners and people who want to start traveling with designing. Without help third people you can create page in WordPress, Joomla, Drupal or other CMS.

I think using a convenient CMS platform that allows you to create your portfolio website in HTML. Your features in HTML are easily tracked by search engine crawlers. All flash sites are moving towards HTML.

Wordpress is the most popular.