hi, i use dreamweaver to develop websites i hand code my website, but use the spry menu feature it has, was just wondering what peoples thoughts were on this way of doing a navigation, any tips would be great

all I've ever seen or heard about spry are problems. Probably best to avoid.

dreamwearver is very good software for web programming, you should be assured of its features and more useful features. Wish you happy

Dreamweaver allows users to preview websites in locally installed web browsers. It provides transfer and synchronization features, the ability to find and replace lines of text or code by search terms and regular expressions across the entire site, and a template's feature that allows single-source update of shared code and layout across entire sites without server-side includes or scripting. So you can work with Dreamweaver. it is very effective for web designing.

Dreamweaver allows users to preview websites in locally installed web browsers. It provides transfer and synchronization features, the ability to find and replace lines of text or code by search terms and regular expressions across the entire site, and a template's feature that allows single-source update of shared code and layout across entire sites without server-side includes or scripting. So you can work with Dreamweaver. it is very effective for web designing.

 

I can't stand Dreamweaver. It produces crappy bloated code, and even if you hand code the program is bloated making it very slow compared to other text editors. Using the DW templates are horrible because it limits your use to only Dreamweaver. If someone has to edit your page outside of DW then it makes it darn near impossible. Includes should be done the correct way, utilizing the server.

 

The other features you mention are not special to DW.

 

Spry is horrid as well. Not only is that bloated too, but packages like jQuery are more robust, more lightweight, and has more support.

 

Honestly I don't even see why DW exists anymore. It is hardly used by developers. It's main purpose is for designers who don't/can't do web.

 

Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of DW. It's a horrid program that costs waaay to much.

Edited June 17, 201115 yr by cibgraphics

I can't stand Dreamweaver. It produces crappy bloated code, and even if you hand code the program is bloated making it very slow compared to other text editors. Using the DW templates are horrible because it limits your use to only Dreamweaver. If someone has to edit your page outside of DW then it makes it darn near impossible. Includes should be done the correct way, utilizing the server.

 

The other features you mention are not special to DW.

 

Spry is horrid as well. Not only is that bloated too, but packages like jQuery are more robust, more lightweight, and has more support.

 

Honestly I don't even see why DW exists anymore. It is hardly used by developers. It's main purpose is for designers who don't/can't do web.

 

Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of DW. It's a horrid program that costs waaay to much.

 

 

 

what is it u use to code your websites :S

I can't stand Dreamweaver. It produces crappy bloated code, and even if you hand code the program is bloated making it very slow compared to other text editors. Using the DW templates are horrible because it limits your use to only Dreamweaver. If someone has to edit your page outside of DW then it makes it darn near impossible. Includes should be done the correct way, utilizing the server.

 

The other features you mention are not special to DW.

 

Spry is horrid as well. Not only is that bloated too, but packages like jQuery are more robust, more lightweight, and has more support.

 

Honestly I don't even see why DW exists anymore. It is hardly used by developers. It's main purpose is for designers who don't/can't do web.

 

Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of DW. It's a horrid program that costs waaay to much.

 

Yeh but don't forget mate lots of web designer buy creative suite and they get DW bundled with that. Surely it makes sense to use what you pay for, even if it's just for its syntax highlighting, ftp, snippets, extensibility, integration with other CS progs et all.

what is it u use to code your websites :S

i guess ciba uses textmate or coda but u can use notepad++

what is it u use to code your websites :S

 

I use Textmate.

Yeh but don't forget mate lots of web designer buy creative suite and they get DW bundled with that. Surely it makes sense to use what you pay for, even if it's just for its syntax highlighting, ftp, snippets, extensibility, integration with other CS progs et all.

 

What's sad is that there are free or low cost applications that do a better job than Dreamweaver. I really don't see how adobe justifies the cost of the applications. And this is coming from a huge adobe fan.

 

I get your point, but anyone serious should use faster and honestly better programs. Hobbyists no problem.

What's sad is that there are free or low cost applications that do a better job than Dreamweaver. I really don't see how adobe justifies the cost of the applications. And this is coming from a huge adobe fan.

 

I get your point, but anyone serious should use faster and honestly better programs. Hobbyists no problem.

 

A good craftsman never complains about the tools he uses. It doesn't make you a better or worse designer for using Dreamweaver, although granted it does hold you back from some of the weightier integrations with things like Git, CDNs etc.

 

It does the job perfectly well though for many.

 

Normally you'll upgrade or downgrade given the project. If it was an overnight web site i'd probably use Notepad and do it in bed. If it's something hardcore would probably have to look into learning something like Aptana, or Eclipse. If it's something in the middle then DW does the job fine for many.

 

Dreamweaver allows users to preview websites in locally installed web browsers. It provides transfer and synchronization features, the ability to find and replace lines of text or code by search terms and regular expressions across the entire site, and a template's feature that allows single-source update of shared code and layout across entire sites without server-side includes or scripting. So you can work with Dreamweaver. it is very effective for web designing.

lol@copy-paster!

I can't stand Dreamweaver. It produces crappy bloated code, and even if you hand code the program is bloated making it very slow compared to other text editors. Using the DW templates are horrible because it limits your use to only Dreamweaver. If someone has to edit your page outside of DW then it makes it darn near impossible. Includes should be done the correct way, utilizing the server.

 

The other features you mention are not special to DW.

 

Spry is horrid as well. Not only is that bloated too, but packages like jQuery are more robust, more lightweight, and has more support.

 

Honestly I don't even see why DW exists anymore. It is hardly used by developers. It's main purpose is for designers who don't/can't do web.

 

Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of DW. It's a horrid program that costs waaay to much.

 

Yes design view is crap, templates should be removed completely and spry is awful but everything else in this post is bull.

It seems you've had a bad experience with DW but making up lies is not the way forward. I'd like to see the figures for 'hardly used by developers' because I can tell you that is bull****. Every media company.I have ever worked for in London required a certain level of comfort using Dreamweaver. Stating it's for designers who can't do web, I find extremely insulting.

 

DW has a vast range of extremely useful productivity tools and the main reason for someone ranting about it being bloated and over priced is lack of knowledge or and understanding of how to use it effectively.

 

Let's not forget it's been at the top of industry for many years!

As pointed out to me just now... this thread was about Spry navigation not 'Do you like Dreamweaver?'.

 

So apologies for helping lead the thread off track but if we could now rejoin the original thread and stay on topic, cheers

I don't really know anything about Spry, so this is a bit off-topic.

 

I try not to use Dreamweaver, I use notepad but a nice little free program(Microsoft WebMatrix) I found seems good because you can edit Databases and create for WordPress and other CMS's locally, and it's easy to set up for the different CMS's you are using.

Yes design view is crap, templates should be removed completely and spry is awful but everything else in this post is bull.

It seems you've had a bad experience with DW but making up lies is not the way forward. I'd like to see the figures for 'hardly used by developers' because I can tell you that is bull****. Every media company.I have ever worked for in London required a certain level of comfort using Dreamweaver. Stating it's for designers who can't do web, I find extremely insulting.

 

DW has a vast range of extremely useful productivity tools and the main reason for someone ranting about it being bloated and over priced is lack of knowledge or and understanding of how to use it effectively.

 

Let's not forget it's been at the top of industry for many years!

 

Not seeing where you are getting your hate for me lately. You seem posed to cuss me out for some reason.

 

In any case, London =/= USA. Programmers here don't use dreamweaver at all. It is slow and is prone to mistakes. Programmers here use Textmate/Coda/VIM/ or any other vast array of coders out there. Dreamweaver is seen as a noob tool as it rightly should because of it's self-reliance on the program (see DW templates).

 

I know how it works, I used to use it back before I discovered BETTER tools. It is bloated and slow, most functions are geared toward people who don't know how to code. Tell me... how many of it's features do you use on every project... or do you use it mainly for one or two? If it is the latter, you will see my point. If it is the former, then you must not know much about coding.

 

The FTP options are fine, but if you are working on a local site, chances are you will upload everything at once, and personally, it's faster for me to upload by hand using a FTP program than try to set something up in DW. Most of the panels in DW are junk to experienced coders like the CSS Styles Panel, Properties, Behaviors, Insert Panel, and a vast amount of others.

 

Sure some of DW's functions can be helpful, but the cons outweigh the pros to anyone experienced. It certainly doesn't justify the cost ($400 are you kidding me).

 

Sorry, DW is basically junk when you put it up to the other lighter and more cost effective coders out there.

 

I don't see it being at the top of the industry. Where are your numbers to back that up? I've been a coder for 7 years, and have never seen it used in a professional workspace, freelancers excluded.

Edited June 18, 201115 yr by cibgraphics

Sorry if you feel that i'm going out of my way to diss you lately, i haven't intended to do that!

 

I think we're gonna have to agree to dis-agree. You dislike Dreamweaver and i like it. Pretty simple really.

 

I would argue the case but i'd just be rewriting your above post in the opposite and this thread wasn't really about that then i'll refrain.

Both sides have a point - Dreamweaver has been gettinga little more coder-friendly in the last couple of versions, adding things like SVN support. Still, I'm wholly in agreement that Spry is a festering pile of ****e, and I can see why someone who doesn't use DW templates, design view or integration with other CS apps (most of which is predicated on the idea of using Design View) would consider it bloated. The FTP client's also a bit bunk.

 

Of course, if someone writes a fair bit of back-end code, there are arguments in favour of an IDE (context-sensitive autocompletion, function hints, integration with more SCMs and debuggers etc). Trouble being, any complex app has a learning curve which would impact productivity.

 

If you design mostly static sites, Dreamweaver's a reasonable tool. I'm less keen on the idea of writing PHP in it, because it's no better for that than something like Notepad++ (my favourite lightweight editor) and nowhere near as useful as something like Eclipse or Netbeans.

 

I think the best way to consider DW is an IDE for HTML & CSS. Any more than that and it's out of its depth, as evidenced by Spry - basically JS for non-coders.

I hate trying to help people who have problems with Spry, it just confuses me.

 

I often use menus from cssplay http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/ which I find useful.

Dreamweaver is easy to use and you can have webpages centered, and it comes with alot of nice tools but if you have problem with spry, avoid it.....

I use Dreamweaver CS5.5 because it has code hinting for latest tech such as Javascript(ECMA5), PHP, HTML5 and CSS3.