August 1, 201115 yr Did anyone watch this? The entrepreneur pitching about her website that sold toys for children's parties online. The new dragon got all angry at her asking is the source code yours? Surely the source code is the customers upon completion of the site or is it that designers/developers own the right to the code? The dragon was also asking the entrepreneur what language the site was written in again it was a bit harsh that she didn't know what language as it is basically double Dutch to most business owners. Do your clients know what language you write your sites in? Obviously some take an interest and find it really interesting but most that I've come across would have no idea.
August 1, 201115 yr Yes, saw that and she replied that the website was 'proprietry code' so had probably been told that by the site's designer to try and bleed more money out of them. I can imagine them losing that site now she has investment. It was a bit of a harsh question but they may have been sounding out the intelligence of the woman as well to see how they much they can/need from the deal.
August 1, 201115 yr The source code can go either way, depends on the contract with the provider. It also depends what the provider has used! Then again, it also entirely depends what the purpose of the site is - if it's an e-commerce site, where the revenue is based on sales, it really doesn't matter, so long as none of the profit is going to the software provider. I haven't watched it yet, but it sounds to me like it's a case of 'clueless' on both parts.
August 1, 201115 yr I didn't really watch it but I did hear it in the background. I was wondering about the site and was interested to have a look at the code myself (because I'm a saddo). I'm all for Valid Code and if you can't make it 100% valid always nice to put the effort in to have as few errors as possible. www.thepresentclub.co.uk is terrible. Check this - http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=http://www.thepresentclub.co.uk/Consoles&ucn_task=conformance The whole site seems pretty p*** poor, I'd be ashamed to pass that to a client.
August 1, 201115 yr I also saw it last night, the website looked ok on the boards with the pitch. Just went on the site now and it looks awful!!
August 1, 201115 yr Author I haven't watched it yet, but it sounds to me like it's a case of 'clueless' on both parts. The woman pitching was pretty clueless probably one of the worst pitches probably in the history of the programme that said on her about page on the site she seems pretty smart she wanted to be in MI6 learnt Italian French German and Spanish. She was offered a job on the London International Financial Futures Exchange when she was 18 and became the youngest ever female trader. Also to people that watched it, Peter and Theo seemed particularly impressed with the domain thepresentclub.com Is it really such a good url to have? They seemed shocked that it only cost £20?
August 2, 201115 yr From what I understood at the time (my partner re-winded it as she was confused too), it sounded like the website is the business womans however it used code or tech provided and owned by the developer, meaning it could not change host etc without losing that feature, function etc It sounds like they are linking in a config or script preventing the eventual departure without either a charge or somthing else but the woman didnt seem to know much about it but to be fair I was trying to cook at the time.
August 2, 201115 yr If anyone is interested the site was built by Quantum Web Solutions. I'm fairly sure its written in PHP.
August 2, 201115 yr thepresentclub.co.uk yeah? Home page = 112 errors. 12 warnings. Hmmm..... It's a pity when I see stuff like this - plenty of guys on here that could have made a better (and possibly cheaper) job. Instead, some web design company has reaped the profits and put out pretty shoddy work. I won't comment on the design because I guess that's a matter of taste (it isn't too bad for a kids website I guess). But the coding isn't really there is it. Edited August 2, 201115 yr by Gibson
August 3, 201115 yr Also to people that watched it, Peter and Theo seemed particularly impressed with the domain thepresentclub.com Is it really such a good url to have? They seemed shocked that it only cost £20? YES! That was weird. When she was walking away Peter looked across the dragons and goes "I can't believe she got the .com". Is he under the impression that every single .com in the world is already taken or something? Quite easy to pop "the" in front of anything and find it is available.
August 4, 201115 yr I am thinking of designing a much better one using my domain:- thepresentclub.net Would this be against trademark law?
August 4, 201115 yr I am thinking of designing a much better one using my domain:- thepresentclub.net Would this be against trademark law? Looking at the original website (www.thepresentclub.co.uk) they've already got a TM in the logo so you can assume they've either got the trademark or are applying for it. If that's so then they can easily take the .net domain off you with minimal legal action for infringement. By all means copy the business model but come up with your own name instead of riding on their coat tails.
August 4, 201115 yr By all means copy the business model but come up with your own name instead of riding on their coat tails. Fair point I always notice how these domain names get snapped up pretty quick so I did an experiment to see if I could get in there first!
August 4, 201115 yr I didn't really watch it but I did hear it in the background. I was wondering about the site and was interested to have a look at the code myself (because I'm a saddo). I'm all for Valid Code and if you can't make it 100% valid always nice to put the effort in to have as few errors as possible. www.thepresentclub.co.uk is terrible. Check this - http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=http://www.thepresentclub.co.uk/Consoles&ucn_task=conformance The whole site seems pretty p*** poor, I'd be ashamed to pass that to a client. To be fair, it looks like it's just an affiliate store for thetoyshop.com so chances are they're pulling all the product info from a data feed and don't have a lot of control over the content. Though, that would only explain some of the errors and crappy code. Excluding the products, the rest of the site is quite poor.
August 4, 201115 yr Fair point I always notice how these domain names get snapped up pretty quick so I did an experiment to see if I could get in there first! If you want my advice, steer well clear of the Dragons! They seem all nice and friendly on TV but are incredibly trigger happy when it comes to legal issues around their business. I did a bit of contract work for a marketing company that teamed up with ex-Dragon Doug Richard a few years back and the show's legal team were even threatening him with legal action for mentioning he was an "ex-Dragon's Den member"!
August 4, 201115 yr If you want my advice, steer well clear of the Dragons! They seem all nice and friendly on TV but are incredibly trigger happy when it comes to legal issues around their business. I did a bit of contract work for a marketing company that teamed up with ex-Dragon Doug Richard a few years back and the show's legal team were even threatening him with legal action for mentioning he was an "ex-Dragon's Den member"! My sensible head says you are absolutely right! But I like a challenge.. Maybe that's a challenge too far I agree!! Why should they have it all their own way though? Last year I had an interview to take over the handling of the entire Bannatyne group websites. At the time the websites were absolutely shocking. I was invited to the 2nd stage of the interview but passed on the opportunity as it just looked like a bit of a headache to me - the designs were a mess and the code was asp.net which isn't exactly my forte. In preparation for the interview they asked me loads of questions and opinions on how to improve their sites. So from this, having some of the poorest designed sites ever, I notice now they have started to offer website design services via 'Bannatyne Digital' websites!! As if the man doesn't have his fingers in enough pies! Edited August 4, 201115 yr by oakleaves
August 5, 201115 yr asp.net Say what you like about the Dragons, but please. No swearing on the forum .
August 5, 201115 yr So from this, having some of the poorest designed sites ever, I notice now they have started to offer website design services via 'Bannatyne Digital' websites!! As if the man doesn't have his fingers in enough pies! I just looked. Their website is awful. Looks like something made on Frontpage circa 2001...
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