June 17, 200917 yr are canadians allowed on this site? ...if not, i lied, i'm totally from the UK. NO GET OUT!!! j/k Welcome to the site. Everyone is welcome (except IanC....) i did some work with some canadians, when i first started out, just hope your abit better than they were. Do you design or code mainly, or abit of both? Reaper
June 17, 200917 yr Anybody is welcome on this forum, we have people from all over the world joining. I have family in Aurora, GTA, Ontario in Canada, visited there once, loved it.
June 17, 200917 yr Hi, welcome to WDF. Canadians are allowed too (even with their round shaped heads)
June 17, 200917 yr Author thanks for the welcomes. i apologize for the round heads, i take full responsibility for that one. i went backpacking in europe & the UK last april - it was nice to be on the other side! Do you design or code mainly, or abit of both? Reaper i may have misunderstood the area of expertise option, as i'm a graphic designer and it didn't read 'webdesigner' so design it is. anyway, i love to code. i am partial to notepad, i've recently bought a few books in order to teach myself more in-depth coding and programs to help me along. so far all i'm familiar with is html, (& the basics of) xhtml & css. i want to learn all facets of web developing & design, respectfully that isn't possible in a short amount of time, as it isn't exactly limited. i'm always keeping my eye out for tips. there are SO MANY DETAILS and it's easy to become overwhelmed. as far as webpages go, i've only ever mastered my own diaries and blogs. i bought a domain / server very recently, it's empty, but i'm hoping to make it my practice grounds. i work full-time, and instead of daydreaming about formal training, i decided to teach myself along the way. i was just reading another post where a member mentioned how fast things change, and that current methods aren't always being taught in schools, so most of the people here are self-taught? if that's true i have some hope!
June 17, 200917 yr Yup, a lot of people are self-taught including myself. I only started 2 years ago, but it's much easier to pick up stuff from online tutorials, books and forums rather than learning from a course. Having read a few posts on here, people who study web design end up "learning Dreamweaver" - almost all members will tell you this is a big NO unless you use it as an IDE instead of a visual site-making tool. Notepad is good, Notepad++ is worth a look (it's free, and in my opinion better) and there's plenty free resources to learn the actual code and syntax for XHTML and CSS.
June 17, 200917 yr Author Yup, a lot of people are self-taught including myself. I only started 2 years ago, but it's much easier to pick up stuff from online tutorials, books and forums rather than learning from a course. Having read a few posts on here, people who study web design end up "learning Dreamweaver" - almost all members will tell you this is a big NO unless you use it as an IDE instead of a visual site-making tool. Notepad is good, Notepad++ is worth a look (it's free, and in my opinion better) and there's plenty free resources to learn the actual code and syntax for XHTML and CSS. i've bought quite a few books on CSS which keep me occupied. thanks for the tip on notepad++, i saw it mentioned on a tutblog recently but have never used it. i've used DW, but i'm not well versed in it (got a book on that, too) nor do i know if i should be? is DW a BIG no? i read that tables should never be used, and that threw off almost everything i knew, so i'm trying to rethink everything. bah! hah. as far as resources go, i'm a big lynda fan. it's nice to see people using other resources than university/college.
June 18, 200917 yr Dreamweaver itself isn't really a big no, more so using Dreamweaver's design view to create websites, as it produces very shoddy code. I actually feel Dreamweaver's code view is rather good (It's just a shame that the app is full of so much bloat necessary for the WYSIWYG elements). A lot of members would agree that Dreamweaver Design view should not be touched, but Dreamweaver code view is decent.
June 18, 200917 yr Dreamweaver itself isn't really a big no, more so using Dreamweaver's design view to create websites, as it produces very shoddy code. I actually feel Dreamweaver's code view is rather good (It's just a shame that the app is full of so much bloat necessary for the WYSIWYG elements). A lot of members would agree that Dreamweaver Design view should not be touched, but Dreamweaver code view is decent. I think you hit the nail on the head there. I use dreamweaver and can honestly say that my websites dont have a lot of crap in them. It just depends on how you use the software. - I think I only switch to design view for pasting text in now and again - but even then it gets re-checked & slimmed down in code view. Anyways, Welcome Choice! Hope you pick up lots of new things here!
June 18, 200917 yr heyyy (: i'd stick with notepad++ for now, because it's the shiz (well as far as text editors). You'll know when you need to up to an IDE like dreamweaver, if you don't know, you don't need it just yet Just a question? How much do you pay for maple syrup. I bought some today from Tesco's, the cheapest i could find was £6 (11.13 canadian dollars!). So just wanna know how badly i was robbed ): anyway, welcome, and i hope you stick around
June 18, 200917 yr Author heyyy (: i'd stick with notepad++ for now, because it's the shiz (well as far as text editors). You'll know when you need to up to an IDE like dreamweaver, if you don't know, you don't need it just yet Just a question? How much do you pay for maple syrup. I bought some today from Tesco's, the cheapest i could find was £6 (11.13 canadian dollars!). So just wanna know how badly i was robbed ): anyway, welcome, and i hope you stick around i can't recall the last time i bought maple syrup. it just appears in my fridge, actually. nobody in BC really pays much attention to that culture - it's more of an ontario/quebec thing, it must have been a high caliber syrup at $11 (depending on the quantity involved.) i remember paying $12 CAD for an espresso in london, i know those are cheaper here. oh, canada. ;p whatever tool i'm using, i'm still handcoding and viewing it later anyway. i'm sure it's not too important at my level. btw. i am reading all your comments in a really great uk accent. you had to know.
June 18, 200917 yr Author oh gross, is WYSIWUG referring to all the filler that happens when you 'magically' press a button and all your coding is worked out for you? creating mounds of unnecessary coding? i had to wikipedia what that even meant (correct me if i'm wrong because i'd like to know) but i think i got the gist of it. i found that a bit intimidating and unappealing with any editor (not to mention lazy) i'd rather know it's done right the first time and understand it character for character than to have a jumbly mess of code. and as long as this forum is active i'm sure i'll be around. seems pretty active.
June 21, 200917 yr oh gross, is WYSIWUG referring to all the filler that happens when you 'magically' press a button and all your coding is worked out for you? creating mounds of unnecessary coding? i had to wikipedia what that even meant (correct me if i'm wrong because i'd like to know) but i think i got the gist of it. i found that a bit intimidating and unappealing with any editor (not to mention lazy) i'd rather know it's done right the first time and understand it character for character than to have a jumbly mess of code. and as long as this forum is active i'm sure i'll be around. seems pretty active. WYSIWYG What you see is what you get - used in various hobbys/professions, but for webdeisgn, its an editor like you siad, you just click a button and it turns the design into code, most of the time the code is really poor though. Reaper
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