Just wondering when you think IE6 will be intergrating CSS3.

Another 10 years?

 

Getting fed up being a designer and having to do extra work to get it work in IE6, why don't they just kill the browser off already?

 

Causes so many problems in the company I work for!

 

Who agrees?

i know when!!

 

never...

 

the question is when will everyone stop using ie6

Someone needs to make a virus that just totally deletes IE6 from everyones computer.

Designers wouldn't be bothered about that virus lol.

They're no longer releasing updates for IE6 so that doesn't really make sense, IE8 does allow certain features of CSS 3 to be used, but not all just yet. They're making it a forced update for everyone with Windows Updates installed, so it should be good to finally get a little more free from the world of IE6.

Yep.

Hopefully one day not so far away IE6 will become extinct, and the world of designing will be a better place lol.

 

Do you work as a web designer full time or just freelance?

I'm freelance , hopefully going to work at a studio though they haven't got back to me just yet.

 

I think Internet Explorer will always pose a problem to the way we design, rather than admitting their mistakes, they're just adding problems constantly, they should take a leaf out of Mozillas book.

I wreckon Microsoft should do what flock did, base there browser on mozzillas core software, would be easier, better.

 

But there just ignorant and believe there right and everyone else is wrong.

 

Typical!

it truley does suck. I've gotten used to it a bit now. I find I never use margin appart from margin:auto now. it's all about the padding

I no longer support IE6 starting with my current project. Users will have to upgrade to a more modern browser/version.

 

The same goes for beta versions of new browsers - if there are known browser issues, the page won't render.

i'm slowly starting to care less about ie6... recently if an element doesn't render correctly i simply delete it for ie6... i'm kinda expecting msoft to drop support for it with release of ie8... we can have hope at least!

I no longer support IE6 starting with my current project. Users will have to upgrade to a more modern browser/version.

 

The same goes for beta versions of new browsers - if there are known browser issues, the page won't render.

That's really not a very good idea, it's not helpful for your clients at all either, most of their customers/clientelle will use Internet Explorer! People do not want to upgrade, it's far too much hassle. Most people are happy with using Internet Explorer for their basic needs, and as they have firewalls/virus software, the security problems that there are with IE just don't bother them at all. It's very arrogant to say that you're not going to support it anymore, it's your job to support it.

 

Is there really that much of a problem of supporting IE6 anyway? Every single website that I design works perfectly in all browsers (always check BrowserShots), so there's no real problem. It's just a cliché now to "hate" internet explorer, when it's actually not that bad.

 

i'm slowly starting to care less about ie6... recently if an element doesn't render correctly i simply delete it for ie6... i'm kinda expecting msoft to drop support for it with release of ie8... we can have hope at least!

 

Once again, not a good idea, as a developer you need to find a work around, you're being paid for it, if your client finds out you're not supporting the most popular browser (let's face it, most people are still using IE6), they'll be pissed off and never use you again, just because you couldn't be bothered to add a few lines of code to your css/xhtml.

Once again, not a good idea, as a developer you need to find a work around, you're being paid for it, if your client finds out you're not supporting the most popular browser (let's face it, most people are still using IE6), they'll be pissed off and never use you again, just because you couldn't be bothered to add a few lines of code to your css/xhtml.

 

every site i make works perfectly fine in IE6... some features may not be included however because IE6 is unable to support them - i always explain this to my clients honestly - so nobody is going to be pissed off ;-) i still make corrections for the difference in the box model for example... but the way forward with the web is if designers produce pages that degrade appropriately... would you avoid using javascript just because some users do not have it enabled? no, you would make sure it degraded acceptedly.

 

i'm not going to get drawn into a debate about how important IE6 still is... it is undoubtedly still used by a majority but clients also deserve sites that adhere to standards and will stand the test of time and in my opinion this is more important, so IE6 will always be second on the priority list.

every site i make works perfectly fine in IE6... some features may not be included however because IE6 is unable to support them - i always explain this to my clients honestly - so nobody is going to be pissed off ;-) i still make corrections for the difference in the box model for example... but the way forward with the web is if designers produce pages that degrade appropriately... would you avoid using javascript just because some users do not have it enabled? no, you would make sure it degraded acceptedly.

 

i'm not going to get drawn into a debate about how important IE6 still is... it is undoubtedly still used by a majority but clients also deserve sites that adhere to standards and will stand the test of time and in my opinion this is more important, so IE6 will always be second on the priority list.

Websites that work in Internet Explorer 6 do stand the test of time, there are so many major sites that are developed to work with Internet Explorer six aswell as it's predecessors and competitors, so there's no reason why us small timers' can't do the same , like I'll always say, it's our job, and if we can't be bothered to find a work around, then we're not doing a good job.

 

Even explaining to clients is a lazy way out, everything that we can do with css can be done using a different method in css. I'm not talking about the importance of Internet Explorer, just telling you that it's our job, and we should do it properly.

haha ok i don;t even know why i'm arguing... i can't remember the last time i didn't support IE6 with a separate stylesheet... but i have to admit it's always tempting... this discussion just came up at the wrong time as i've been trying half the night to get a slideshow to work properly in IE6. :-p

 

i'm going to be honest and fess up though that i never even check IE5... :-S i'm i going to get crucified over that as well?

I've never ever checked Internet Explorer 5 at all, there's no real problem there, hardly anybody uses that anymore.

out of interest does anybody have any good statistics on browser usage?

I no longer support IE6 starting with my current project. Users will have to upgrade to a more modern browser/version.

 

 

There is a good argument as to why you should stick to supporting IE6, but I am just going to say this anyway.

 

 

If someone pays you to make a website it is your job to make sure that their website works on all major browsers. Every job has its good bits and bad bits, but you cannot just decide not to do something when it is something that needs to be done. Its just as bad as deciding that you will not make your sites accessible to disabled people, as you are neglecting the needs of users. But hey your choice to be lazy and a bad web designer....I just hope that you explain to your clients that you no longer support a browser that is used by a large portion of the internet community and as such they are paying for sub standard work.

 

 

 

 

 

out of interest does anybody have any good statistics on browser usage?

 

 

Browser usage is really hard to get stats for, as depending on the subject of the site depends on the major browser that is used. People could say these are the stats for my site, but if it is a design portfolio chances are the stats will be bias towards designers and their browser choice. Maybe if google has stats that would be a good way of telling browser usage as that would probably be the most unbiased place....maybe

When do you think IE6 will actually be phased out?

 

Personally I don't see it for a while as there are alot of schools and other countries that use IE6 as standard, there will come a time when you can pretty much say, ok it's time to ditch it, but I really don't see it being for quite a few years, based on it's present global reach.

 

I've started getting heavily into development and now really do appreciate why you coders hate IE6 so much.

out of interest does anybody have any good statistics on browser usage?

 

 

 

2008

December

IE7 26.1%

IE6 19.6%

Chrome 3.6%

Firefox 44.4%

Mozilla 0.4%

Safari 2.7%

Opera 2.4%

 

 

Source:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

The statistics that Shaney has shown, and other months are available on Wikipedia, they're updated monthly. Firefox and Internet Explorer 6, 7 and Firefox, are the three most widely used browsers, so we have to support them.

Firefox's users are only 1% behind IE6 + IE7.

 

The extinction is getting closer.

And whoever said they are not updating IE6 anymore was wrong.

I have IE6 on my machine and still update it.

 

 

(Need it for testing not use)

MS said they were going to start pushing IE6 out, But it should still be supported.

 

Most big businesses, schools etc. use IE6, your a fool not to support it, and i'm sure it's probably in WAI spec somewhere.

 

But why create a site that can't be used by 20% of the online community? and a large majority of business's.

 

There are some exceptions, if you run a website aimed at us, the kind of people on this forum, supporting ie6 isn't an overly important thing, however i don't think it'd be that bad... the number of ie6 visitors for a tech website should be marginally low.

 

Personally i use chrome for browsing, and then switch to firefox for development (i just need those mighty fine plug-ins), and i've noticed chrome has minor bugs in about 30% of websites, and has troubles with transparency.

 

Is that the browsers fault? or the websites fault?

 

I still stock IE6 and IE7 for testing, but i never use them otherwise.

Browser usage is really hard to get stats for

 

You can say that again.

 

i think maybe when IE8 comes out people will be more likely to upgrade, but until then I guess we had better support IE6.