June 10, 201016 yr Hi dont get me wrong asp was a good in its time, but its out dated and no where near as dynamic as php is now. My question is... why do the uk web designers still use asp. You go anywhere in the world and everything is done by php apart from microsoft websites as lets face its more or less there scripting. Dont get me wrong i still code in asp but only if the client asks me to code in asp. The reason i am asking is because 7/10 websites i am having to recode etc from websites build in last 12 months are asp and i just think thats like using a ie6 browser lol...
June 10, 201016 yr I think you're wrong about it being just in the UK, but yeah there is a fair few people still using old asp. The thing is alot of companies have strong ties to Microsoft for internal development, Microsoft IIS servers, Microsoft visual studio running on Microsoft windows, In that respect choosing a Microsoft web development language and database makes sense (esp if you've ever tried getting php running on ISS). As to why alot still use asp rather than asp.net, well I think that's the "ain't broke don't fix it" perspective said companies often take. Really php/mysql is really the territory of small web houses and tech startups, and asp(x)/mssql is the territory of large enterprisy intranetty webapps.
June 10, 201016 yr enterprisy intranetty webapps . Is that what they call them nowa days eh... Their are plenty of other server side languages that are used. Albeit not as much. Ruby is getting more and more popular, atleast once a day i see a site using jsp, and i still occasionally come across a site using cold fusion. asp and i just think thats like using a ie6 browser lol... Incidental, alot of large companies that use asp, are probably still using w2k, and thus they still use IE6. Web designers up in arms about people still using IE6, but lets face it, if you owned a company with tens of thousands of computers, you'd avoid upgrading until it became a necessity. Why waste money upgrading something that already serves it's purpose. Just my $0.02
June 11, 201016 yr I find it quite a bit too. ASP on IIS5 (oh come on) pops up a lot too. ASP.NET's direction is very different to ASP classic though and you would have to invest time into learning it. Really php/mysql is really the territory of small web houses and tech startups, and asp(x)/mssql is the territory of large enterprisy intranetty webapps. Not really. More people using FOSS as starters makes sense. That doesn't mean it isn't used at the other end of the spectrum (I find it's used more).
June 15, 201016 yr There are a lot of people still using the tools they learned with. If they started with ASP and it works for the company then they really haven't got a good reason to change. Change = ££££ for business
June 16, 201016 yr I'm working in a company that uses only ASP, the main reason being that the main developer who owns the business has been developing for years and started out on ASP. He has been learning PHP a while now but for us to change all our sites (75+) to PHP would be just be a nightmare, and as he is the only developer in the office I can't see him being too keen to take on the challenge
June 16, 201016 yr I still code in ASP cos I've done it for years and years. I tried to get into PHP, it's relatively easy but what really stopped me was the fact I hated mySQL. I much prefer SQL Server. BUT recently I've got quite into Wordpress which has tweaked my interest in PHP again. Ultimately, my path will be .NET cos I know IIS, MS Servers et al and I'm trying to do my MCITP qualification. I doubt that generally, pound for pound, neither platform is any better than the other. PHP is only more popular cos it's free and its not Microsoft! Let the debate rage on!!!! Regs, Numb
June 17, 201016 yr Really php/mysql is really the territory of small web houses and tech startups, and asp(x)/mssql is the territory of large enterprisy intranetty webapps. Must disagree, youtube, facebook & twitter are primarily written in PHP!
June 22, 201016 yr Do you mean "classic ASP", or ASP.NET? ASP.NET is now on framework 4.0, and is darn powerful, and nothing like Classic ASP at all, apart from the VB/C# legacy.
July 5, 201016 yr Must disagree, youtube, facebook & twitter are primarily written in PHP! twitter on PHP? http://www.artima.com/scalazine/articles/twitter_on_scala.html youtube is PHP? http://digg.com/programming/YouTube_is_almost_entirely_written_in_Python Twitter was on Ruby but they had great problems scaling it. That is one of the reasons so many major sites use ASP.NET - its massively scalable. PHP also has no native support for unicode (well it didn't last time we looked at it) a problem if you have clients delivering content in Arabic, Chinese etc. Facebook is probably the biggest site on PHP, but appears only the front end runs this (with something a bit heavier behind the scenes). Of course most people using PHP are fine with its abilities - they don't need massive scalability, or native unicode so these aren't issues. As to why people still use classic ASP - its because it works for them. We use ASP.NET for new sites, but there is a load of classic ASP code out there that works just fine.
July 5, 201016 yr Every ASP developer I know is over 40. You can't teach old dogs and all that.... So true, so true In 'computer studies', I sat at a teleprinter and typed code in BASIC and could wait minutes for the answer to 5+5 or to print my name!!! So this old dog still codes in ASP, but really is trying to move on to .Net. Regs, Numb
July 5, 201016 yr I still code in ASP cos I've done it for years and years. I tried to get into PHP, it's relatively easy but what really stopped me was the fact I hated mySQL. I much prefer SQL Server. You're not forced to use the MySQL database. PHP has extensions written for pretty much every database (the joys of Open Source - http://php.net/manual/en/book.mssql.php or the PDO ext http://uk3.php.net/manual/en/ref.pdo-dblib.php) Really php/mysql is really the territory of small web houses and tech startups, and asp(x)/mssql is the territory of large enterprisy intranetty webapps. While this is currently true, PHP is beginning to pick up. Over the past few years i've noticed a pretty large increase in PHP jobs. I also still see a lot of classic asp, but we're getting more and more clients asking to change. The most popular enterprise website scripting languages are JSP and ASP.NET, however PHP is slowly closing the gap.
July 5, 201016 yr While this is currently true, PHP is beginning to pick up. Over the past few years i've noticed a pretty large increase in PHP jobs. Just look at Facebook and Wikipedia. PHP, baby. It's the takeover.
July 5, 201016 yr Just look at Facebook and Wikipedia. PHP, baby. It's the takeover. Facebook uses a heavily modified version, a lot of their code has be statically compiled as a php moduleand compare them to the amount of enterprise size sites which exist and really a small amount of sites use php (enterprise wise) PHP is my preferred language though.
July 8, 201016 yr http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=asp%2C.net%2C+php&l= That doesn't really say anything (.NET is a framework and too broad to use in this case). A more accurate search would be http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=asp%2C+asp.net%2C+php&l=
July 9, 201016 yr Facebook uses a heavily modified version, a lot of their code has be statically compiled as a php moduleand compare them to the amount of enterprise size sites which exist and really a small amount of sites use php (enterprise wise) PHP is my preferred language though. Heavily modified ... but still PHP. You would actually be surprised at the number of corporate sites using PHP. It isn't too hard to hide the .php file extension.
July 9, 201016 yr That doesn't really say anything (.NET is a framework and too broad to use in this case). A more accurate search would be http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=asp%2C+asp.net%2C+php&l= Yup, my bad - still, you just need to check the job boards to see that ASP is alive and well. JFTR - I'm a PHP developer...
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