Sorry, just had to get that off my chest

 

Why can't the makers of all the browsers agree on some common architecture so that if you make a site it looks exactly the same in all of them?

 

I've just spent a couple of hours making a site for myself, looks great in Firefox. Everything lines up lovely. Quick flick over to IE7 and it's all gone to cock. It's a right mess. ARGH!

 

It would make it so much easier for everyone. They can still design their own browser look and functionality around it but just agree on something central and basic to display the pages we make.

you are not alone.. we share the same idea.

but it's "business".

Just to broaden the thread, I hate microsoft!

To broaden it further I hate Liverpool FC!

IE is annoying.

 

There is nothing wrong with Microsoft/Apple.

 

There is nothing wrong with Liverpool FC (although there are problems with the city and some of the people who walk the streets).

does you site validate strict?

 

if so and theres still issues just create a "if IE7 use ie7fix.css" and move the positions over etc

 

 

Internet Explorer needs to somehow be asassinated worldwide at exactly the same time and replaced with FF.

if so and theres still issues just create a "if IE7

that must help so much.

keep in mind that there is loads of people have IE and uses it, i hate it ofcourse, but you have no options as you want everyone to see your website correctly. just a suggestion!

IE is annoying.

 

There is nothing wrong with Microsoft/Apple.

 

There is nothing wrong with Liverpool FC (although there are problems with the city and some of the people who walk the streets).

 

 

As one the "people who walk the streets" of Liverpool I find that a bit of a personal insult. Whats wrong with the city anyway, best combination of football teams, best musical artists come from Liverpool, we are the Capital of Culture, where are you from exactly?

Liverpool winning that "Capital of Culture" was a wonderful liitle farse. You shouldn't take offnce to the people comment, theres wierd people patrolling in every city in the UK.

As one the "people who walk the streets" of Liverpool I find that a bit of a personal insult. Whats wrong with the city anyway, best combination of football teams, best musical artists come from Liverpool, we are the Capital of Culture, where are you from exactly?

South London. I didn't mean that as a generic statement of everyone in Liverpool, I was refering to the "yoof" that walk around in their hoodies etc, they just seem to be worse than everywhere else in the country.

does you site validate strict?

 

if so and theres still issues just create a "if IE7 use ie7fix.css" and move the positions over etc

Internet Explorer needs to somehow be asassinated worldwide at exactly the same time and replaced with FF.

 

I binned it and started again.

Looking better this time but I haven't done the navigation yet!

I binned it and started again.

Looking better this time but I haven't done the navigation yet!

 

You will almost always get differences in appearance between ie and ff, its how you deal with them.

 

You can spend hours tweaking your css and eventually you will achieve a page that works across browsers, or if you want a quick solution then "conditional comments" will save you so much time.

 

Pat

At least it can in some cases generate more business for you - if say a prospective customer has an old site that does not display correctly cross browsers, then that's another "reason" to use you!

To make a site look the same you can use this little piece of code that you put in your Head :

 

For IE :

 

<!--[if IE]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="stylesheet.css" />
<![endif]-->

 

After IE you can precise what version of the browser, like :

 

<!--[if IE 7]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="stylesheet.css" />
<![endif]-->

 

For other browsers use this :

 

<link rel="stylesheet" media="screen" type="text/opera;charset=utf-8" href="stylesheet.css" />

 

And you can replace opera by the name of any browser. Then you just have to customize your CSS stylesheet for the browser you wish and make it look like on your default browser ( Mine is Firefox too Firefox FTW ! ).

 

Hope it helps .

We get the same issue here

 

I argue that we should work to make it IE compatible first, then look at firefox issues -

after all loads more people use IE

 

 

 

But you can never please the purists

South London. I didn't mean that as a generic statement of everyone in Liverpool, I was refering to the "yoof" that walk around in their hoodies etc, they just seem to be worse than everywhere else in the country.

 

Tu-che mate.

 

There are little nuggets walking round Liverpool true, though we do not have the pleasure of having had as many stabbings as your neck of the woods.

 

Again, not a personal attack!

Tu-che mate.

 

There are little nuggets walking round Liverpool true, though we do not have the pleasure of having had as many stabbings as your neck of the woods.

 

Again, not a personal attack!

Not actually in London anymore thankfully. Only about 1 stabbing every 5 years where I am at the moment thankfully.

 

My grandmother lives in Birkenhead which isn't too bad minus people walking around in their PJ's.

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For other browsers use this :

 

<link rel="stylesheet" media="screen" type="text/opera;charset=utf-8" href="stylesheet.css" />

 

And you can replace opera by the name of any browser

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Never heard of this one ... maybe it works for opera, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work for any browser.

A google search on "type=text/opera" brings up 28 results so there must something wrong (validation maybe)

Just to throw another spanner in the works.

 

The worst thing about IE is the damage is already done, and its almost a fact that not every computer will update to the latest IE when Microsoft eventually make a working browser.

 

So we as designers/developers are always going to have to fix things for the older mistakes Microsoft have made.

 

I dont think Microsoft are a bad company, and Vista really isn't all that bad. They never claimed compatibility would be the best thing in Vista.

 

They have tried some new things with the OS and I love the environment of Vista. It's good times designing in it.

 

Im not a fan boy and when some money comes in, i'd like to get a Mac to work on both platforms.

 

But yeh, IE is a bad browser no doubt about it.

 

Standards are being worked on and even Microsoft are trying i think. W3 web consortium, thats what they are all about.

 

Mozilla do a great job of meeting these standards.

Never heard of this one ... maybe it works for opera, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work for any browser.

A google search on "type=text/opera" brings up 28 results so there must something wrong (validation maybe)

 

I'm using it, it works for every browser and I have no validation problems .

Revs, could you post some code examples ?

type="text/safari" / type = "text/mozilla" or type ="text/firefox", camino, maxthon ... here's a list of browsers

I second that, Rev, can you provide some source where you got this information from? I have never heard of this, nor can I find any information about these mime types. Are you sure they work?