Hi guys.

 

I used to use yaml to generate browser-compatible layouts. Unfortunately, you always have this nasty framework around. Now I thought there probably are tools available, which convert firefox-css in all-browser-css (by inserting the fixes when needed).

 

Do you have any recomendations for tools like this? I did not find any really useful resources.

 

Regards, Robin

Hi guys.

 

I used to use yaml to generate browser-compatible layouts. Unfortunately, you always have this nasty framework around. Now I thought there probably are tools available, which convert firefox-css in all-browser-css (by inserting the fixes when needed).

 

Do you have any recomendations for tools like this? I did not find any really useful resources.

 

Regards, Robin

 

To be honest Robin, if there is such a programme out there, the code it generates would probably be very hard to understand and very bloated.

 

In my opinion design in firefox and tweak your css for ie, if necessary use conditional comments, hacks, this will keep your code under control and to a minimum.

 

Cheers

 

Pat

Personally I find testing in IE6 and Firefox as I code the site helps keep the site looking right on most browsers. I very rarely use conditional comments as I find if you code a site correctly and test as you go a long you can fix without. I can only think of one site where I have used a comment that wasn't a PNG fix, and that was to tell IE6 and below to not show the wrapper background.

 

So learn how to code and how to test your sites as you go along and you will be normally be able to overcome problems, using conditions or not

Personally I find testing in IE6 and Firefox as I code the site helps keep the site looking right on most browsers.

 

Absolutely agree!!!

 

It seems to me that in this age of so called "standards", we some times loose sight of the fact that in the real world most people use IE, after that (and more prevalent in certain communities) Safari, and then you have a much smaller number of people that have gone to the trouble of actively selecting a browser and downloading it - so they might have Firefox.

 

If I wanted to be contentious I could argue who gives a monkeys what it looks like in Firefox - so along as it works in the main standard (as in shipped with computers as standard) browsers (IE / Safari) ? ;-)

 

Seems to me that if you develop against Firefox and then try to "fix" the design you are just making more work for your self.

 

Same as Dizi, I make sure that I just write in a manner that will work for the standard (shipped with computer) browsers to start with and always have IE 6 open in an old knackered laptop (with rubbish monitor) next to my shiny 30" apple screen with firefox on it as my "base level" ;-)

 

Can't wait for IE8 to start shipping so I can drop support for IE6 though !!

 

Just my twisted point of view :-)

lol, I designed in IE7 and then tried to fix for firefox, I know quite a few people that have firefox but I dont know anyone that uses any other web browsers.

 

If this tool does come available then Ill buy it from you!!!! lol

Sorry but I'm really very confused, you people said that few people use Firefox???? This is really new for me check out the statistics in w3c:

 

Browser Statistics

 

IEs(7 + 6 + 5) = 54%

Firefox = 41%

 

I wouldn't call 41% "a much smaller number of people"...

 

Maybe I misunderstood...

 

See ya

perhaps you misunderstood the data that you were looking at?

 

Firstly, the data that you referenced was published by w3schools which I do not think is the same as w3c, but more importantly the analysis, whilst interesting, was only an analysis of their own log filed and therefore is highly skewed.

 

In fact if scroll down the page then you will find that this is what they say themselves:

 

(quote)

"W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

 

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

 

Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends."

 

Very interesting data (and tells you a lot about their typical audience so very useful if you were thinking of advertising on their site), but in no way could you use that to indicate that Firefox is used by typical consumer corporate web users.

 

Hope that helps sort out your confusion.