[Tobes]

Hi Guys,

Any of you know about Xrumer? Ive been looking into automated forum posting because one of my jobs at the company I work for is SEO, so logically spreading the word of our products via on-topic forums makes sense, my forum list is rapidly growing so Ive been looking at automated forum posting software found a nice bit of software but its $120 so I looked at Xrumer who offer massive amount of backlinks for $50, Im a bit worried that Xrumer would have a negative effect, for too many post's in a similar vein, but I dont know much about it.

Any advise is great before I do something that could reverse current SEO rankings.

Cheers

Tobes

[Jason Dexter]

Xrumer is powerful. Extremely powerful. But do you honestly think that spamming forums is the best way to "spread the word" about your companies products? At best, it'll just damage the reputation of your company.

Xrumer often goes hand in hand with affiliate marketing, where the brand of the website doesn't matter so long as there's visitors and clicks on ad's and affiliate marketing links.

Like I said, it's a powerful piece of software that if used correctly can work for websites, but there's people out there that offer 30,000 backlinks for a few quid. But the stick rate is awful and most posts will get deleted and most forum profiles will get pulled.


Also, if you buy a blast of links, you can't pick where your link is put, as they have a list of forums already. Which they blast with every customer they get. So, you may think you're adding a post to an active and very friendly forum where in fact you're spamming the **** out of already spammed forum's.


If you think yu're actually getting the software for $50, then you'll find the actual software is $700ish.

My advice?

Find a better avenue to spread the word. Online marketing, Social Media, take part in forums.

How many links are you getting for $50?

[Tobes]

Hi Jason,

cheers for putting your point across, I agree with you entirely, the purpose of using something like Xrumer is more for SEO purposes than actual customer relations or brand awareness, I agree with you it is in bad taste to spam boards.

when I do my SEO manually (what I am doing at the mo) I subscribe only to boards on topic, and boards that allow such ads, my thread subject is referring to open days the company I work for host once a month, so I feel (hope) that as long as these boards are on topic, I am not doing any detrimental damage to the brand, with luck it pushes traffic, SEO and awareness of the product.

Going back to Xrumer, I am merely thinking about having such a high amount of backlinks will put some of our less savvy competition far behind us, already the company SEO is pretty good to be honest, I am a new I.T guy who has taken over all web work, and the SEO is part of the job.

I have run my own forum for 10 years, sorry to name drop: itstooloud.com so I know all to well about spamming and how annoying it is, I dont want to be a spammer, but like on my forum, I realise it is imperative both to the music listener and the club owner or whomever that allowing them to post ads is beneficial to all parties, as long as it is on topic and not random crap.

Have you ever used Xrumer and seen how well it works?

Thanks for discussing this with me, i realise using this tool could be deemed as black Hat and there is no way I want to start doing negative effects to the SEO of the company.

Cheers

T

This post has been edited by Tobes: 02 November 2011 - 12:00 PM

[Tobes]

Jason Dexter, on 02 November 2011 - 10:03 AM, said:

How many links are you getting for $50?

i think its 10.000 links with the anchor text of our choice up to 10 words.

[Jason Dexter]

I think there are two distinct areas to your post here.

One is to advertise upcoming events that your company host

and

Getting backlinks to push your website up the SERPS

and I think you're getting then mixed up.

I definitely wouldn't use Xrumer as an advertising tool at all. You'll be very lucky to get any conversion from the blasts and as you'll know from running your own forum, the whole point is the interaction aspect. If you blast 10,000 russian, chinese, thai and iraqi forums with your advert then not only will it be absolutely pointless but are you going to go back and check each one for replies?


Xrumer is simply used to blast out thousands of links to thousands of forums. I've used it before, as a research tool (I like to know what I'm advising my clients NOT to do) and yes it can be really powerful and effective, but you have to be smart and already have an understand of the complex and in depth information about what a link is and how it works.

I know you want to push your less savvy competitors offer the results page, but look into why they are there and bothering you in the first place before doing any link blasts. Do some research, look at their backlink profile, understand why they are ranking. Maybe they are more relevant to your keyword? You might have a few keywords in mind that you want to rank for, but the reason you're not ranking might be because the website isn't relevant to that keyword? and if you're not relevant to hat keyword, you might not get the highest conversion rate you could get. Getting to number 1 in Google is just half the battle. The next step is conversion optimisation.

What I'm saying is, be careful of any tool that you us and dont just blast 10,000 links because that might be the way to go. Research into things. SEO is more than just a few links.

10,000 with 10 keywords of your choice? Steep. PM me

[Tobes]

Hi Again Jason,

Cheers for the feedback, you are giving me some good info nice one.

I must apologise, i think I must have confused matters as i was trying to explain that I would only use Xrumer for link blasting, and would not use it for the manual kind of forum marketing I am currently doing, I completely agree with you.

I realise upping the traffic is pointless if it is just loads of bots or completely random traffic, this will just bog down our server, and as you say our goal conversions would not change.

I have been using Google analytics goals to start monitoring the movement of our clients, although I havent set any funnels up quite yet, but I have been doing as much research as I can to improve the companies rankings, but I dont want to use such a tool as Xrumer if it will do the opposite effect.

Im getting the feeling you DONT use Xrumer for your clients and you see it as black hat?

Will pm you now, as sounds like you might have something for me

Cheers for your advise, its greatly appreciated.

T

[BlueDreamer]

Be very careful, Xrumer is a spamming machine, all it does it pollute forums and other sites with rubbish, fake profile accounts and so on.

As someone who has seen the effects of what it does to sites I'd advise you not to lower yourself to that level and do things properly.

[Ste Hughes]

not read the thread but if you do this you will F it up.

This is used for affiliate marketing. You will only get yourself bad reviews.

If you have an evil streak you can use it but on your competitors with porn keywords in the anchor tags.

proper way to use it is to build a link on a free blog

blast the free blog out there.

a better tool for SEO is scrapebox. much more leeway in this.

[The Web Surgery]

I am not much of an SE person, but i have friends in the company where i work and they have Xrumer, they use it when they have new client, which doesnt have much standing in the SE and has few backlinks. after that they shift to manual ways of posting only. SO i guess, it is not that great to use..

[rallport]

Says it all really. Read the first sentence on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRumer

[BlueDreamer]

rallport, on 03 November 2011 - 10:45 AM, said:

Says it all really. Read the first sentence on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRumer

say no more

I was helping sort out a site recently that had their forums bombarded with fake registrations that came from Xrumer, only a small local area community form with 100 or so members, but Xrumer add 14,000 bogus members in a short space of time, and filled the site with pharama and porn spam links. Not pleasant for the site owners.

[charliesaidthat]

Have seen some smarter uses of this software.

It's not all about the spamming. Problem is with software like this people take the easy option with big numbers.

My advice is, if you don't know exactly what you are doing STAY THE HELL AWAY.

[charliesaidthat]

--double posted-- DERP

This post has been edited by charliesaidthat: 11 November 2011 - 09:16 AM