[pbb76]

Hey all,

I've got a client who wants a better ranking (I think he is doing really well too be honest - ranking top locally, page one for product names - but he wants page 1 nationally for very popular keywords... after 6 months?... anyway).

He has got involved with a company - I wont mention them by name as I believe they post on here. They are offering him 'guaranteed page 1' (shudder) for £500 by doing 'seo indexing'.

Maybe I made myself look a bit of a plum by saying I didnt know what he was on about, but I've genuinely not heard of it - nor can I find it as a service anywhere else... perhaps I'm wrong. But too me, I dont think they are offering to do anything special (adding a page on 'full of keywords') - which in my eyes, is borderline blackhat stuff?

Has anyone got any info on this - are they being had, or am I behind the times!?

Thanks for any help.

[zed]

does he have any details that spell out exactly what they will do for the £500?

[pandadoodle]

money, toilet, flush = seo results

[roothost]

Hmm, seems a bit odd. Ranking page one for major keywords takes time, and 6 months is nothing. It would take years to get on page 1 for, say, web design, and don't forget that Google still gives priority to older domains.

Is this a one off payment of £500, or a monthly, on-going contract?

Keyword spamming a page may work in the short-term but will soon become punished by Google

[SniderDK]

'guaranteed page 1' = total BS not even google can guarantee that...

[pbb76]

All my thoughts exactly, thanks!

I said to the guy on the phone (at the SEO place) when he said about 'guaranteeing page 1 for nationwide keywords' that was rubbish as the keywords they are talking about are by NO MEANS unique, they are very generic products that hundreds of companies in the UK are selling. No way can they get them on Page 1 nationwide (and remember, I'm already doing a good job locally - top 2 in town, 1st page county) without some underhand tactics.

He said no, its all down to this "google page indexing". To me, thats what a site does naturally - 'indexes'. I've never heard of manually doing 'google page indexing' - sounds like mumbo-jumbo to sound good to clients.

They have a testimonial page with some examples on - but thats worthless. No proof they were not ranking that high in the first place. The sites in the examples looked well ropey too, terrible builds, so perhaps they just did the basics and it improved them anyways?

I just dont like SEO companies talking technobabble to con customers...

Please keep opinions coming, will be contacting customer back with my thoughts tonight.

Thanks!

[SniderDK]

I've been selling SEO services since 2004 and I have no idea what they are on about... to me google page indexing is referring to the way google gathers information aka google bot... so yes "google page indexing" is a requirement to ranking in google period.

evidently google have already indexed the website... so i don’t get it.... this other SEO should be named and shamed because as you put it selling services to clients with techno babble is wrong... especially since from what you say it smells of blackhat which will put the company at serious risk that could result in them never ranking the domain in google again... well with some serious effort maybe but even matt cutts said years ago its best to just rename the company and start again.

some company's get tempted to the dark side due to motives of greed or desperation... what will be, will be... you can only strongly express your advice and reference the fact you have people who have been doing SEO for the better part of a decade agreeing with you.

more a side point... this bit made me laugh "He said no, its all down to this "google page indexing"."

if he knew what he was doing why is he employing SEO's for advice... love it when clients try and tell you how your job really works

This post has been edited by SniderDK: 23 September 2011 - 02:22 PM

[Dcruize]

I had a client phone me yesterday to say they'd been cold-called and offered something similar. £30pm per keyword and a guarantee to get on the first page within 1 hour "because they have Google technicians working for them". I don't know if this is going to be similar to the company who contacted your client, but by 'get on the first page of Google' do they actually mean 'get you a first page SERP'? I did some digging and it turned out the company who had called my client was actually trying to resell Adwords. True, it gets you onto the first page, but yeah...

Just had a thought, by 'SEO indexing' does he perhaps mean pinging?

[rallport]

BY how you've phrased this, I'm fairly certain that I know the company you're dealing with.

If it is the company I'm thinking of - question extensively what "seo indexing" exactly entails.

My personal experience with this company (who I'm not going to name) was that the indexing includes the following for £500 a year:

• Create xml site
• Submit to google, yahoo, bing
• Get some naff keywords and enter into homepage meta title (leave all other pages)
• Rinse and repeat every year

Always question vague terms like "seo indexing".

[pbb76]

rallport, on 23 September 2011 - 06:08 PM, said:

BY how you've phrased this, I'm fairly certain that I know the company you're dealing with.

If it is the company I'm thinking of - question extensively what "seo indexing" exactly entails.

My personal experience with this company (who I'm not going to name) was that the indexing includes the following for £500 a year:

• Create xml site
• Submit to google, yahoo, bing
• Get some naff keywords and enter into homepage meta title (leave all other pages)
• Rinse and repeat every year

Always question vague terms like "seo indexing".

If this thread continues, I Even Might Say who they are...

[SniderDK]

continuing thread

[pbb76]

SniderDK, on 23 September 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

continuing thread

The clue is right there. Early Morning Soon though....

[roothost]

Extreme Money Scam! Unbelievable

[alistairfellowes]

I'd avoid any 'service' that claims they will get you a higher ranking for money. You can do SEO yourself, and you can have complete control over it, just not the results.

[Jason Dexter]

alistairfellowes, on 26 September 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:

I'd avoid any 'service' that claims they will get you a higher ranking for money. You can do SEO yourself, and you can have complete control over it, just not the results.

I get where you're coming from but many of my SEO clients pay me because of my extensive knowledge, proven skills and the fact it's my job.

Sure, you can "Do SEO yourself" but I guess you just mean looking at keyword density and banging a few keywords in your text?

[alistairfellowes]

Jason Dexter, on 26 September 2011 - 04:07 PM, said:

I get where you're coming from but many of my SEO clients pay me because of my extensive knowledge, proven skills and the fact it's my job.

Sure, you can "Do SEO yourself" but I guess you just mean looking at keyword density and banging a few keywords in your text?

I know there's a lot more to SEO than that. I just mean, you're probably better off doing it yourself, or learning how to do it yourself, than spending £500 for a guaranteed outcome. Though there's nothing wrong with paying someone who knows how to do SEO to improve your site better than you could yourself.

[Renaissance-Design]

Even More Search engine discussion? Oh my.

[Jason Dexter]

alistairfellowes, on 27 September 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

I know there's a lot more to SEO than that. I just mean, you're probably better off doing it yourself, or learning how to do it yourself, than spending £500 for a guaranteed outcome. Though there's nothing wrong with paying someone who knows how to do SEO to improve your site better than you could yourself.

Bad day in the office, I had just been undercut considerably after bidding for a contract. The response I got? "We're going with XXX Ltd because they're £XXX cheaper than you, and they have a great team out in India". I felt like replying "That's fine, we'll speak in a year"

[alistairfellowes]

Jason Dexter, on 28 September 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

Bad day in the office, I had just been undercut considerably after bidding for a contract. The response I got? "We're going with XXX Ltd because they're £XXX cheaper than you, and they have a great team out in India". I felt like replying "That's fine, we'll speak in a year"

They'll get what they pay for no doubt... you can always check back with them in the future if you think you could improve on the project

[rallport]

Jason Dexter, on 28 September 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

Bad day in the office, I had just been undercut considerably after bidding for a contract. The response I got? "We're going with XXX Ltd because they're £XXX cheaper than you, and they have a great team out in India". I felt like replying "That's fine, we'll speak in a year"

I've seen what Indian offshore companies do and can see the reason they are so cheap.

When they offer link building, that is EXACTLY what they do, build links. The main difference here, is that they ;iterally build links like robots - abolsutely no thought into the niche. Yes, if you pay some Indian offshire company £50 to build you 1000 links, you'll get 1000 links but they will be god awful quality and overall, have a negative effect on your site.

I had a client who did just that. I had a look at what links they had built and felt like crying (note this is for a company used in the midlands, uk):

• Lots of links from arabic directory websites
• Links from some of the most stupidly random directories I have ever seen - no real customer would ever visit these
• LInks from Chinese porn sites
• ~125 links from taiwanese blogs about a totally unrelated subject
• ~80 backlinks from link wheel/link exchange pages - they pages where simply filled with several thousand links

The worse one imo was the fact that all the links used identical anchor text and were all built within a day or so. High five to mr offshore for making your site look highly suspicious of spam.

Overall, a waste of everyone's time. I still don't understand why customer think paying a couple of quid to an offshire company who can barely speak English will help them.

[roothost]

In one sentance, 'Quality not quantity, a clients site has a link from the BBC and this one link alone has made a huge difference in the sites ranking.

This post has been edited by roothost: 01 October 2011 - 09:37 AM

[rallport]

After looking at several "indexing services" in Google and getting myself all annoyed I decided to write a blog post

The Great Google SEO Indexing Rip Off

It's already at the top of page in Google UK for the term "seo indexing" and result #3 for "seo indexing service" - which I'm quite chuffed about

[charliesaidthat]

rallport, on 02 October 2011 - 09:54 PM, said:

After looking at several "indexing services" in Google and getting myself all annoyed I decided to write a blog post

The Great Google SEO Indexing Rip Off

It's already at the top of page in Google UK for the term "seo indexing" and result #3 for "seo indexing service" - which I'm quite chuffed about

Great post sir.

[pilgrim_fgau]

holy good god look at their prices! 10 keywords ultimate package £1495 +VAT ! (£1794)

Im in shock...