[MrRingo]

Hi all, im really struggling to get backlinks, and could really do with some help?

Is there anyone who could help me or recommend some site?

Cheers, thanks in advance.

[Pixel_Donkey]

Hi Ryang,

Backlinks can be difficult to get, I'm starting to view backlinks as "relationship building", take a look at this post:

http://www.seomoz.or...h-link-building

Try create content that people will want to share about and whatever you do, never purchase backlinks - it can kill your site.

[Dcruize]

You may wish to look at what backlinks your top competitors have, it wouldn't hurt to duplicate their strategy whilst building up your own.

http://www.domain-pop.com/ is a pretty good backlink checker.

This post has been edited by Dcruize: 25 September 2011 - 03:27 PM

[rallport]

ryang, on 20 August 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:

Hi all, im really struggling to get backlinks, and could really do with some help?

Is there anyone who could help me or recommend some site?

Cheers, thanks in advance.

There really isn't an easy answer unfortunately. Link exchange has a highly dilutred effect nowadays and the majority of forums and blogs are nofollow. Getting a quality backlink - especially for the over sataurated web design niche - is very hard.

From personal experience some of the best backlinks I've obtained have come from sites where you potemntial customers will be looking. They did bugger all for my actual pagerank and were nofollow but their ROI was high. I advertised in a local magazine and picked up 4 new clients in one month.

You can submit yourself to tons of directories - you may get lucky and some of them may be followed links - but at the end of the day (being totally honest) 99% of those directories are purely for SEO people - not your potential customers.

At the end of the day, wahtever niche you're in, you're not looking for backlinks - you're looking for a way for relevant and potemtial customers to view what services you can offer.

[Fredrik Robert]

Hi,

If you are looking to create back link to your website then you can go for Blog commenting , Directory submission, Article Submission are the best way to get back link website. For that you can go for Directory submission and you can get a good list from the website for the same. And another way to make back link is Social bookmarking in this way you can get back link in quick way. For that you can go for jumptag , buzzflash , and dropjack for the same. It will really help you that.

[weblink]

Blogs commenting is not so useful nowdays all have gone nofollow, and other activities will be stop when Google panda will be updated..

[Dcruize]

weblink, on 27 September 2011 - 10:36 AM, said:

Blogs commenting is not so useful nowdays all have gone nofollow, and other activities will be stop when Google panda will be updated..

The anchor text of a nofollow link may still be recognised by Google - I've read about people testing nofollow since Panda (and tested it myself with made-up words), and it does seem to be doing something, but I have no idea exactly what weight the nofollow links do have. One of my spam sites is now #2 when searching for *mashes keyboard randomly*, with #1 being the blog I commented on using that word (wrapped in nofollow). It's all very confusing

Oh, I wouldn't bother spamming blog comments btw, I was just getting sidetracked thinking about nofollow

[rallport]

Fredrik Robert, on 26 September 2011 - 04:59 PM, said:

Hi,

If you are looking to create back link to your website then you can go for Blog commenting , Directory submission, Article Submission are the best way to get back link website. For that you can go for Directory submission and you can get a good list from the website for the same. And another way to make back link is Social bookmarking in this way you can get back link in quick way. For that you can go for jumptag , buzzflash , and dropjack for the same. It will really help you that.

I'd question how useful are those random artivcle submissions, directory submissions etc. are in real terms. E.g. doe they actually encourage conversions?

I'd go as far to say nowadays that directory submissions are dead - granted there are still good ones out there that potential customers will actually use and give you an seo benefit. However, the majority of them are a total waste of time.

Granted, some of those services you mentioned will give you a backlink, but will that backlink actually create a conversion on your website?

I still believe lots of people still miss the point of SEO. It's NOT to move up the SERPs and increase your PR, the ultimate goal is to get conversions on your website.

[Jason Dexter]

rallport, on 27 September 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

I still believe lots of people still miss the point of SEO. It's NOT to move up the SERPs and increase your PR, the ultimate goal is to get conversions on your website.

I wish everyone would understand this. It's all fine and dandy being number 1, but that means sweet FA if the website has a poor conversion rate. But, every man and his dog has read a book 5 years ago about SEO and think stuffing keywords into the meta tags is enough.

[Sogo7]

Something else to bear in mind is that Google is personalising a growing number of results based upon the users previous searching history. So getting that coveted top slot for all users search terms is like chasing smoke.

[Frazer56]

Try using social sites like Twitter and share really neat information that will get retweeted, its a backlink!

[Marc Roy]

There are blogging communities that do link exchange. You can start there, though of course what you'll be getting are reciprocal links.

[Jason Dexter]

Frazer56, on 29 September 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:

Try using social sites like Twitter and share really neat information that will get retweeted, its a backlink!

Although I'm sure what you you've written here, you thought you'd get a do-follow link from Twitter and it counts as a back link, you're not far wrong with this in a way.

Google is looking towards social media when it comes to deciding how strong and powerful your website is. If your website is getting mentioned by thousands of users then it will give your website a huge boost.

Also, its brand exposure and can provide a good stream of traffic

[rallport]

Frazer56, on 29 September 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:

Try using social sites like Twitter and share really neat information that will get retweeted, its a backlink!

This is exactly what I mean about people missing the point of SEO.

You have a backlink, it may or may not move you up the SERPs, woohoo.

All random and un considored backlinks will do is increase you bounce rate.

It saddens me how the majority of people in this forum think SEO is just about increasing your serps position and getting more traffic.

In nearly every web meeting I have about SEO I always use the following example, in relation to an ecommce site:

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I'd personally prefer to have 100 making orders on my site, as opposed to 1000 coming on my site and bouncing straight off.

I won't rant anymkre about this here - I wrote a blog post about the relationship between cro and seo on a blog a while ago.

/rant

[Dcruize]

*Edit*

Please delete, not in the mood to argue

This post has been edited by Dcruize: 02 October 2011 - 01:20 PM

[amelie warner]

There are many ways to get backlinks, following are few of them:
directory submission
article submission
social bookmarking
forum posting
blog commenting

Above are the 5 most common ways of building backlinks, you should start working on these methods and you will get hundreds of backlinks withing few days

[rallport]

amelie warner, on 02 October 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

There are many ways to get backlinks, following are few of them:
directory submission
article submission
social bookmarking
forum posting
blog commenting

Above are the 5 most common ways of building backlinks, you should start working on these methods and you will get hundreds of backlinks withing few days

How many of those hundreds of generic links do you expect will lead to an actual conversion for the website?

[Dcruize]

rallport, on 02 October 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

How many of those hundreds of generic links do you expect will lead to an actual conversion for the website?

Who cares as long as Google sees them as trustworthy links and increases your SERP? I don't see why you think so little of SERP when it has such a massive impact on traffic coming from search queries.

[notbanksy]

Dcruize, on 03 October 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

Who cares as long as Google sees them as trustworthy links and increases your SERP? I don't see why you think so little of SERP when it has such a massive impact on traffic coming from search queries.

Traffic coming to your website means nothing if those visitors aren't buying your products or clicking ads.

To the OP: if you want backlinks, there's a really simple way. Create brilliant content that people naturally want to share. They'll do all the backlinking for you.

This post has been edited by notbanksy: 03 October 2011 - 09:35 AM

[Dcruize]

notbanksy, on 03 October 2011 - 09:35 AM, said:

Traffic coming to your website means nothing if those visitors aren't buying your products or clicking ads.

Why would the visitors not buy the products? They haven't followed a backlink - they've performed a search and clicked the site at the top.

[notbanksy]

Dcruize, on 03 October 2011 - 09:50 AM, said:

Why would the visitors not buy the products? They haven't followed a backlink - they've performed a search and clicked the site at the top.

Getting people to your site does not guarantee that they're going to convert. Being top of the SERPS means nothing if your site doesn't inspire trust and confidence in the visitor. They'll just click the back button and choose the next site on the list till they feel comforatable enough to part with their money.

[Dcruize]

notbanksy, on 03 October 2011 - 10:46 AM, said:

Getting people to your site does not guarantee that they're going to convert. Being top of the SERPS means nothing if your site doesn't inspire trust and confidence in the visitor. They'll just click the back button and choose the next site on the list till they feel comforatable enough to part with their money.

Agreed, but whether or not your site inspires trust and confidence isn't directly related to the method you used to hit #1, especially if you're promoting a new business vs established competition.

Sorry if I'm not putting my point across clearly, I'm really not part of the camp that thinks good SERP is all you need. Sites should be optimised for search engines as well as people (ie good organic SEO, brilliant content etc) - SEO+PO perhaps?

You could create the greatest site in the world for your niche, but in my eyes, until you've established a reputation or marketed heavily offline, people won't find you without a good SERP, which makes it harder to get that reputation :/

This post has been edited by Dcruize: 03 October 2011 - 11:10 AM

[palmgeo]

Hello ryang... Do only Directory submissions, social bookmarking, article posting, link building and blog posting by this you would get quality link juice. Also submit your website in yahoo directory, dmoz, digg, stumble upon, delicious and many more.... just google for quality websites and you get many websites.

[Jason Dexter]

notbanksy, on 03 October 2011 - 10:46 AM, said:

Getting people to your site does not guarantee that they're going to convert. Being top of the SERPS means nothing if your site doesn't inspire trust and confidence in the visitor. They'll just click the back button and choose the next site on the list till they feel comforatable enough to part with their money.

Dcruize, on 03 October 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

Agreed, but whether or not your site inspires trust and confidence isn't directly related to the method you used to hit #1, especially if you're promoting a new business vs established competition.

Sorry if I'm not putting my point across clearly, I'm really not part of the camp that thinks good SERP is all you need. Sites should be optimised for search engines as well as people (ie good organic SEO, brilliant content etc) - SEO+PO perhaps?

You could create the greatest site in the world for your niche, but in my eyes, until you've established a reputation or marketed heavily offline, people won't find you without a good SERP, which makes it harder to get that reputation :/

Notbanksy, I think Dcruize has a point here.

You've gone from saying there's no point having backlinks if visitors don't convert, Dcruize then give's you a great reply and then you say that conversions will suck if a website doesn't portray trust. It seems like you're dodging the point haha.

**** backlinks doesn't say anything about a website nor does it effect the users full experience using a website.

The average customer to a website doesn't give a **** about backlinks, if it's top of Google and looks pretty then that's good enough for them.

I'm not advocating buying backlinks, or spamming forums but I just don't understand this holier than thou stance some people have when it comes to this sort of stuff.

I don't do spam backlinking, simply because I don't need to. I've had some SEO guys work for me and that was a bad idea because they were slightly underhand.

But, I get that some people think

"Why not have 300 good, sexy backlinks and 33,000 **** ones as opposed to just 300 quality backlinks"

Good backlinks will convert, and that is an understated, undervalued and 99% of the time overlooked FACT but I get that people think why not have more.

[notbanksy]

If you're starting a business, and you're relying on SERPS to get customers, you're missing a trick. SEO is time consuming and expensive, and offers no guarantees whatsoever. It's far better in my opinion to spend that time and money finding your customers, networking with them, offering them incentives to get them signed up to your mailing list, and then make sure they become customers with consistent and considered marketing.

If your products, service and marketing are all good, the rest will fall into place.

Maybe I do have a holier-than-thou attitude to this stuff, but I'm really not being patronising. I just don't understand this idea that SEO is more important than good old fashioned selling. If you can combine the two, then fair play to you. But at what cost? Do we really want the internet to be continually polluted by tacky content that only exists to provide backlinks?

[oakleaves]

I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here (don't shoot me)

Oftentimes I find that the sites ranking high can be quite naf. Some of the companies at the top do not inspire me with confidence.

It needs to be a twofold thing, your website needs to be found firstly obviously, and then the website needs to be good enough to convert that visitor.

This post has been edited by oakleaves: 03 October 2011 - 12:47 PM

[Jason Dexter]

Oh absolutely, and the comments weren't aimed directly at you not banksy, just more at people that consider buying backlinks to be something that only the devil does.

At the end of the day, as an SEO provider, it is my job to get a website to the top of Google. I do this by changing websites to optimised towards a list of keywords. Tinkering with the text and gaining backlinks.

Manipulating and taking advantage of known, key areas to change. At the end of the day, any website that embarks on an SEO mission is gaming the system. How you do it, is down to you. Buying backlinks does work im afraid.

I bet being top of Google for "porn" will provide you with more money and business than a few well placed backlinks.

[rallport]

Dcruize, on 03 October 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

Who cares as long as Google sees them as trustworthy links and increases your SERP? I don't see why you think so little of SERP when it has such a massive impact on traffic coming from search queries.

* facepalm *

You have just demonstrated to everyone that you know bugger all about SEO and why people actually do it in the first place. Words fail me.

[rallport]

Dcruize, on 03 October 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

Agreed, but whether or not your site inspires trust and confidence isn't directly related to the method you used to hit #1, especially if you're promoting a new business vs established competition.

Sorry if I'm not putting my point across clearly, I'm really not part of the camp that thinks good SERP is all you need. Sites should be optimised for search engines as well as people (ie good organic SEO, brilliant content etc) - SEO+PO perhaps?

You could create the greatest site in the world for your niche, but in my eyes, until you've established a reputation or marketed heavily offline, people won't find you without a good SERP, which makes it harder to get that reputation :/

YOu're not seeing the bigger picture here - a huge part of SEO is CRO.

[Dcruize]

rallport, on 03 October 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:

* facepalm *

You have just demonstrated to everyone that you know bugger all about SEO and why people actually do it in the first place. Words fail me.

Nice...

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YOu're not seeing the bigger picture here - a huge part of SEO is CRO.

No, a huge part of having a successful site is seo AND cro. Of course you need to work on conversions, but how are you going to convert traffic if you're up against established competition that is forcing you into a page2 SERP? You're not getting any traffic! Get traffic to your site, THEN optimise for conversion. It's not like SEO and CRO are mutually exclusive.

I'm about to start doing some work with a bridging loan company - PR1 site with a handful of backlinks and no social networking, who is failing to get into a top#50 SERP for their county. The site needs massive amounts of recoding, but the content/design seem good. They are up against serious competition from established, national companies. Currently, clients they get are through offline networking and recommendations, so they want to start getting clients online as well. Problem is, nobody appears to be visiting the site so we can't even look at bounce-rates etc. Do I;

a ) panic about the low CR and work on a strategy of converting as many of the visiting spammers/bots into multi-million pound loan investors
b ) recode the site, get social networking/backlinks going, THEN start looking at CRO (since GA will probably now show some stats we can look at!)

My point is, you should pay a lot of attention to CRO when you have a site that people can actually find. At that point by all means stop playing with backlinks. For start-up companies or those moving online for the first time, you should pay a lot of attention to SEO and networking/backlinking, 'cause converting 100% of 0 visitors into customers is a lot worse than converting 1% of 1000 visitors a day.

Surely that's the bigger picture that you talked about? I honestly can't believe that I've had to qualify my initial post of;

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"You could create the greatest site in the world for your niche, but in my eyes, until you've established a reputation or marketed heavily offline, people won't find you without a good SERP, which makes it harder to get that reputation"

This post has been edited by Dcruize: 04 October 2011 - 01:38 AM

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