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My experience with Heart Internet Some good, some bad... mostly bad.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 04:40 AM

Wanted to come in here and document my fairly long term service with Web Design Forum partner Heart Internet.

Having joined up with this forum around 2 years ago and enjoying the cool and relaxed fairly mature community. We all have our moments. It was a nice and clean interface and friendly experience. Members professional, and well rounded.

From memory there were always a few adverts but the prominent affiliation with Heart Internet clearly on display in the header area of the forum.

Turning freelance in 2009, I wanted to get off to a fresh foot and better serve potential UK based customers I had. Prior to this Hostgator in America were my host with very good entry level prices, reseller features but suffering when being routed all the way round the internet. Sites became slow as server side knowledge and traffic grew at different sites. However tech support was always great, accessible via ticketing, live chat AND telephone. Sometimes it's just comforting to know someone is there on the end of the phone if you have no internet access.

So ultimately I signed up to Heart Internet after thinking eXtend control panel (Hearts propriety admin area resellers / single site hosters and possibly managed dedicated server customer receive) eXtend looks very much like cPanel / WHM and without really paying too much attention one can easily assume it's not. Living in a white label World designers may simply think eXtend is white label cPanel. Anyway this fact was discovered after signing up and hosting a few sites.

As the months went on a number of issues came up, being at the computer for the most part it was never a problem submitting support tickets. Support staff are always quick to respond and competent when it comes to solving problems. Kudos and win for how effecient they are with this, however it is no different to the likes of HostGator.

Step back to about 6 months ago a site which experienced 6.5GB of bandwidth usage in a day or so was closed down. The person using this account (a member from here needed some free space to practice) was running a script that was generating traffic through a number of means for him. Heart Internet didn't like this traffic, even if it was legitimate or not and decided to kill the site.

I went through the usual routine of creating a ticket and waiting for a response and was advised that the site in question was putting a demand on the server and was closed, they also advised after my questioning again that 7.5GB was the monthly limit. Apparently the term "unlimited" is subject to fair use, and apparently 7.5gb is deemed reasonable. What if we are video producers and sign up to the site on that basis? Pretty poor on that front.

A number of issues had cropped up throughout the 2 years of service but the main experience was site downtime and slow access. When sites are up you'll think a response time of 25ms is reasonable, but catch them on a slow minute and it will jump up to 300ms.

With the issues in place, and the one site being shut down naturally I want to protect my paying customers so decided to move on. First step was to create a back up of sites and ask Heart to close the account. Unfortunately eXtend is not WHM and you simply can't backup all sites within a few clicks. You have to navigate the horde of different accounts and wait for each site backup to be generated. No file dumps on completion, no mail notifications. Just wait, and wait, and wait... Pretty lame on that front.

When I gave notice Heart had offered a 3 month donation in order to try and keep my custom. I took that, quite happily at £46.99 a month including VAT it was about time a hiatus was given. That's £552.00 per year and £1104.00 over 2 years. Pretty expensive for a host especially when you can get that from some companies for around £200.00.

After the 3 months hiatus I went on to raise the close account ticket again.

All that out the way, Was ready to make the switch after pointing some name servers. Oh and not to mention manually importing all the sql files and files downloaded from eXtend. What an awkward process.

My payment date each month was the 9th by Direct Debit (which is required by Heart Internet), this close account request was given on the 6th or 7th and after it was submitted going on the form of about 5 other hosting companies I had used in the passed there was nothing else required. Maybe a deactivation link, but no more verbal.

The date passed but then I notice charges from my bank, apparently Heart never closed the account and they still have Direct Debit. This part was infuriating as I never expected this to come off and consequently Heart and their unruly demands set me out of even more dosh! Still having a reasonable head on I tried to call Heart Internet as the bank would only refund one charge, and because the request took me over drawn there was 2 bank charges in place. Hopefully Heart would help up a valued customer for 2 years? No, billing or technical support cannot be queried via telephone, only SALES! Talk about not giving a ****.

So back to tickets it was and the issue was raised with no results along the way. I drew a line and said, okie please can you cancel my account what else do you need to do. Bare in mind a few days had passed before I noticed they were still taking money for an account not even being used. Heart ask you to fill out a document making sur e you dot the i's and cross the t's for cancellations. Having looked through a handful of previous tickets that had the word "cancellation" or "close" and "account" in it, I was unable to find a link or download to this document. Which speaks volumes.

Ultimately I changed my bank account to stop Heart getting this money but it was a truely awful experience. In the final month when Heart failed to get their money they stopped access to the account, and the only way I was able to get backups was through a WordPress plugin which is super sharp. "Open Source will save us all" I think was the last thing said to Heart. They had no reason to block access to eXtend as yet, and no notifications were given. So yeah that's my fault, should have prepared a day or so earlier but thank goodness for WordPress.

Bit of a messy post, and hope it reads okie but felt important others should consider this if looking at a host.

*Edit

They also still hold the IPS tag for a couple of my domains, wish me luck on that one.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 08:41 AM

Well that sucks for you man.
It's the main reason why i stick to smaller companies to do my business with. At least then i can reach them easily.
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 11:37 AM

Yeah, I had quite a similar experience over bandwidth. There was also an issue over several domain which I had purchased about a year previous, they had been in use by another user with Heart Internet and they refused to allow hosting of the domains as they were still on their computer system. I'm assuming the previous guy had a problem with Heart Internet too. Tech support is fine so long as you're not complaining and it's impossible to leave. Even after cancellation in writing, they continued the direct debits, so in fact everytime I cancelled the direct debit they set a new one up.

Our bandwidth issue was when one of our domains hit 5GB, they pulled it and refused to allow me to host it. Their T & Cs state they have a right to impose a limit of 25GB per month but I know several ex customers who had domains pulled for 3GB. If you do a lot of bandwidth in a short space of time (we did the 5GB in only a week) then they'll pull the domain immediately.

Eventually I raised a small claims action for the money the owed, had evidence as my cancellation letter was posted Special Delivery and signed for. Although it was only about £180 it was still worth it as I got awarded my £180 and expenses which covered the costs of my journey from Glasgow to Nottingham. They never bothered to show up in court so it wasn't a problem. Took them another three months to pay up though.

Generally I found them very dishonest and on one occasion threatening. What's also interesting, when I was taking them to court I got a report from Companies House, their turnover is exremely small, last accounts for 2010 were showing a turnover of 38K. Also had nightmare experience with EUKHost, again involved court action and even had Sheriff Officers removing property from their offices. They got a slap on the wrist in court as at the time of the court action, they were claiming to companies house that they were a "non trading" company and charging VAT without being VAT registered. One of their directors was eventually prosecuted about the VAT.

In case you're interested, I'm now with Clook and have never had any problems with any support tickets being responded to within 10 minutes.
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 12:02 PM

I'm with NuBlue. No problems with them, Magento runs smoothly on their shared hosting (!) and their support team are top-notch.

My reseller package costs around £35 a month for 10GB space, 100GB bandwidth, up to 50 domains. No overselling there. On the whole I'd have to agree that small companies give better service.
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 01:17 PM

The latest revelations are starting to unravel now.

Heart take control over the zone file when you point a domain to their servers via NS changes.


Not exactly sure what they've done to some of the zone files, nor do I really know what these do (maybe like the hosts file in a LAMP stack) regardless, having issues transitioning. Something that has only been experienced with Heart.

Thanks for venting here also guys, they really are one bastardised company hiding behind policy and Suzy Perry.
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:22 AM

Off Topic but do you want a job lead? Its 5 to 10 days work on site in Edinburgh. Frontend HTML/CSS stuff, pretty easy stuff but needs to be extremely high standard.
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:34 AM

View PostJock, on 21 August 2011 - 10:22 AM, said:

Off Topic but do you want a job lead? Its 5 to 10 days work on site in Edinburgh. Frontend HTML/CSS stuff, pretty easy stuff but needs to be extremely high standard.



Yeah mate would love to hear about it, see what happens from there. You wanna PM me your email?


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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:32 PM

Can only go by my own experience that Heart Internet have been really good for me but I will watch out for the issues you mentioned
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 02:53 PM

Have used Heart for a long time and haven't really come across any issues. Domain transfers (in and out) have all been very straightforward and speedy.

I did notice the lack of customer support on telephone though. Called them to query a payment as my bank declined the DD last month, yet Heart reckon it was paid. This months went out as normal and checked bank, and yeah, last months never went so I got a free month lol!

Anyways, yeah, on the phone they simply were not interested in talking to me unless I wanted to buy something and I was directed back to the support ticket system online.

Never really had any downtime issues but am now getting very worried after reading the above as a clients site will be getting a lot of extra traffic (extra few thousand hits per week) between September and the end of November and the last thing I need is for it to get pulled by Heart.

IF it does, you can bet your life I will be off lol
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 02:56 PM

Unless you send them lots of money they couldn't give a hoot.

I'm done even giving them a second thought, they use Open Source to build their business yet don't even have the slightest of inclination to endorse some of its goodness.

They can ram the proverbial through their eye sockets and out their ass for all I care.

The experience was fine when things went their way, but after supporting them for a pretty long time they have shown nothing back.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 11:52 AM

View Posta.g.r.c, on 20 August 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:



Thanks for venting here also guys, they really are one bastardised company hiding behind policy and Suzy Perry.


Everyone in the office here is lol'ing at that one - top stuff :)
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 02:39 PM

Thought i'd update this.

Initially I spent around 1 week with clients having IPS tags transferred to the name HEARTINTERNET allowing for some more DNS control. Now with all fore-mentioned threads these domains DNS is managed via the heart control panel. Naturally I made the changes for most domains and have now been picking up the slack for some other domains.

The changes to the new nameservers were made 3 days ago, yes that's 72 hours before i've complained. Looks like not one, not two but all 3 domains I made these changes with have yet to pass over to the new server. This is a standard process bare in mind, something that all web designers do frequently.

If they try and pass the blame onto me it really proves what a bunch of ***** these guys really are.

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Yes they did try and pass the blame, apparently updating the A records nameservers is not enough to point to the file server but you have to go and find a second nameserver area.

Meaning that the ns entires as A records might as well not be listed simply because you find it elsewhere.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 04:28 PM

The below comment was posted on the blog post http://www.heartinte.../#comment-16021

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Being a web designer with experience of over 10 hosting companies i'd like to share my experiences in relation to this reply.

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"You respond to support tickets within an hour, your server uptime is above 99.9% and you continually keep abreast of technology bringing new services to your customers as soon as possible. Excellent service all in all!"
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I appreciate each client has different needs from a web host and whilst Heart generally do tick the boxes the guarantee is false, the policies are written in such a way that protect them and don't respect the bare minimum paying client and the support system response time yes it's quick but sometimes you need more than tickets. Heart simply refuse and are not set-up for telephone support.

With the respect for individual needs of clients, I've seen since leaving Heart Internet that the migration was hugely difficult with unecessary hurdles block ME from MY DATA and DOMAINS. This in turn has effected clients with the most basic of hosting needs.

I've copied this blog comment in the spirit of fair game and posted on a thread over at webdesignerforum.co.uk

Let's see how Heart handle this.

I don't hate Heart for the record, I hate the policy and how the admins hands are tied in ropes and firmly believe if they are to grow they need to address some pretty serious issues which again have been identified in the thread.


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Posted 12 September 2011 - 04:38 PM

View Posta.g.r.c, on 12 September 2011 - 04:28 PM, said:

The below comment was posted on the blog post http://www.heartinte.../#comment-16021





When did you post that comment as it doesn't seem to be on the heart site.

When I've made comments before they were usually pretty quickly visible on the site - granted they were positive comments :)
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 04:41 PM

View Postrallport, on 12 September 2011 - 04:38 PM, said:

When did you post that comment as it doesn't seem to be on the heart site.

When I've made comments before they were usually pretty quickly visible on the site - granted they were positive comments :)



It was not long ago, it's probably not in their best interest to allow it through.... or maybe it is?

The comment points out flaws, but it's not like i'm a guy who just has it in for them. I wouldn't have used them for 2 years otherwise. But with their banners hanging above us on this community forum it's important that the issues are rectified. If they are a good company, which I believe they are for many they will identify these issues and more to suit the customers.

A lot of people misinterpret my confrontational attitude for anger, yeah initially it is but ultimately it's for good reason.


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Posted 11 October 2011 - 10:24 AM

I have a website hosted with Heart and was considering getting a reseller account but after all these reviews im not so sure. I know that unlimited doesnt actually mean unlimited but I didn't think they would just shut down your site!

Are there any good reviews for Reseller Accounts with Heart Internet??!!
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Posted 11 October 2011 - 10:39 AM

I use heart and not had a single problem apart from 1 site being on the same server as ebay apparently a quick email fired off and they moved it and had no more downtime issues.
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Posted 11 October 2011 - 11:12 AM

Yeah, all good here too. The site I was worrying about has had a significant increase in traffic in the last few weeks and, touch wood, no problems :)
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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:04 PM

I cancelled my heart account and was charged 12 months later for a SEO package.

I pointed out I have cancelled my account but apparently you have to be very specific and say all services included.....etc etc


For me closing an account is closing an account and all things on that account.

I managed to get my money back though.
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 12:54 PM

Don't use them for hosting at all, just some domain names. Their support has always been pretty prompt and very helpful in my experience
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 12:46 PM

Hi I've got some sites with large bandwidth and diskspace usage, but I don't have a big budget so I've been considering moving to Heart Internet with the claims of unlimited space and bandwidth... After reading about fair usage policies etc I'm worried it'll end up costing me anyway or I'll get switched off.

Currently I'm using approx 120gb bandwidth per month and paying over £500 per year. I'm getting really good support etc but it's just costing me too much, I wondered if anyone else is using similar amounts of bandwidth that can recommened a cheaper host that they're happy with?

Most reviews etc are good for Heart and other companies but I need someone that is really making use of the diskspace and bandwidth to point me in the right direction so I'm not going over fair use policies or panicking about downtime etc.

Thanks for any help. I may have to give heart a go at this rate just to keep my costs down and hope for the best.

Thanks again for your feedback.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 12:58 PM

View PostJonah Naylor, on 31 October 2011 - 12:46 PM, said:

Hi I've got some sites with large bandwidth and diskspace usage, but I don't have a big budget so I've been considering moving to Heart Internet with the claims of unlimited space and bandwidth... After reading about fair usage policies etc I'm worried it'll end up costing me anyway or I'll get switched off.

Currently I'm using approx 120gb bandwidth per month and paying over £500 per year. I'm getting really good support etc but it's just costing me too much, I wondered if anyone else is using similar amounts of bandwidth that can recommened a cheaper host that they're happy with?

Most reviews etc are good for Heart and other companies but I need someone that is really making use of the diskspace and bandwidth to point me in the right direction so I'm not going over fair use policies or panicking about downtime etc.

Thanks for any help. I may have to give heart a go at this rate just to keep my costs down and hope for the best.

Thanks again for your feedback.


Seems like you need to go down the VPS route.

Host Media UK have awesome VPS prices in my opinion. I use them as my main host, fantastic support and I haven't experienced any downtime so far.

Alternatively you could look at the Media Temple GS, I haven't used MT before but I know a few people on here have.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 02:30 PM

Well, very impressed with Heart Internet this last few weeks. With bonfire night upon us one of my clients sites, www.lewesbonfirecelebrations, was expecting large numbers of traffic and this far exceeded our expectations with a peak of 3386 uniques yesterday and not an ounce of downtime.

This has jumped up from on average of 200 over the last 8 weeks.

So, great to see all my panicking was for nothing lol
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 06:24 PM

Had a site hosted with tsohost.co.uk - it's a yearly music festival mini site whereby people signup to get free tickets to the said event - nothing major site wise: several static info. pages, a blog and a signup form with about 15 fields. Every year the site gets absolutely hammered - as in thousands of unique visits E.g. this year, the site was released to the public at 8am on a Tuesday. 5 minutes later I looked in the signups table and it suddenly had 20,000 records!

Not one person complained the site was down. I did call tsohost up to ask if the numbers would be a problem. Their response was "we have much busier national sites, so your requirements won't be an issue at all".

I'm also aware the site was announced to the local council by means of a mass internal email to all employees at once. Looked at the signup table again and the site had 850 signups within 5 minutes.

Can't fault the tsohost guys one bit, definately worth a try.
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